Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



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    Moomy,

    Yes - got it - the Bones apart link worked - very nice pictures - did you say Caz had been working on the website? if she has then that is a good job well done.

    It takes me time to work these things out - being old and a man and all - but i get there eventually - lol

    Cheers

    Andrew
    xx
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    Hi Sue,

    I have that album so could have just got up and put it on but I am a lazy old sod so couldn't be bothered and there are about 4 tracks on that record that are sublime (the rest I can take or leave).

    Glad someone else enjoys them too - thanks very much for your words to my friends, it will mean much to them too I am sure.

    Cheers

    Andrew

    xx

  • She is the lass playing the piccolo part in Stars and stripes, but I think the proper web site has now died....they have just been advertising themselves on you tube....unless you know different? will have a look....

    Moomy

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    This message is for Chris and Richard

    I am a carer for my husband and so can relate to you and your feelings of uncertainty in just how to behave, feel react and more to the point guilt and fear -

    guilt in not being able to put a truly awful situation right for a loved one or a dear friend
    guilt at feeling unsure as to just how to behave towards Andy
    guilt at being healthy and enjoying life when Andy is sick
    guilt at not being powerful enough to stop cancer punishing your dear friend
    guilt at not knowing just what the future hols
    guilt at not being able to hide emotions and pretend all is good when in fact you too hurt at this injustice

    fear of saying the wrong thing
    fear of the unknown
    fear of raw emotions
    fear of the future-whatever that might be
    fear of not having Andy aroound as a friend
    fear of not knowing how to show /control your own emotions
    fear of the punishment cancer doles out to Andy

    What I would like to say is that ANDY is still ANDY and always will be ANDY - albeit YOUR FRIEND Andy with a serious health issue, but still ANDY.
    Andy has not metamorphosised into an alien that is cancer that / who coincidentaly has 'Andy' as a name.

    Andy has enough punishment from cancer and it's extreemly harsh treatment, he needs friends to help him cope daily and prepare for the next round of whatever.

    It is OK to feel happy in the presence of someone with cancer, it is OK to enjoy your life, it is OK to have fun, it is OK to laugh and tell jokes etc - just consider Andy also has these rights as well, so how about doing all those things you always have with 'The Andy of before' and do them again?!

    Juls
    I too have found it very hard making the adjustments to dealing with a loved one who has cancer as all of the above feelings I have had as well!



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    Christine,

    you have your own distinct eloquence, thanks you very much for your words and I am sure tthat Chris and Richard will appreciate them too. i love reading your posts all the time so don't ever do yourself down about the way you write your thoughts and feelings, honesty and truth count for so much more the way we express them.

    Much love and thanks

    Andrew
    xx
  • Have just explored again, and yes, they have re-started the old web site that Caz had a hand in designing....the second CD referred to is the one she featured on,she wanted to be involved in the top Cd featured but they went ahead without her. She was totally responsible for organising the competing in Royal Overseas League, and was also the organiser for the Wigmore Hall concert, it was all her contacts that she used, which made their success now, and one or two have just been so horrible to her....still, 'what goes round will come round' as the saying goes.....

    Moomy

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    Juls,

    all I can say is just - THANKS - you have said everything beautifully as ever.

    Thank You

    Andrew
    xx
  • Andrew, Juls has just expressed your predicament so well......I hope you will show your mates all our posts....

    Moomy

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    Moomy,

    I know from what you said earlier that what happened to Caz she found hard to understand and deal with so next time you speak to her send her my love and best wishes for everything good to come to her.

    thanks
    Andrew
    xx
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    Andyrh
    I do hope it is OK with you that I also posted a message to your friends, although we have only once- early on- exchanged messages, I have still followed your thread and am truly interested in your well being so your posting touched me as my husband has also had some 'friends' withdraw since cancer entered his life. He has been brutally blunt and just switched off to them saying cancer is not contagious, shame as I think we all need as many friends as we can during this dreadful time.