Steroid Tapering Problems

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Well, life has been good for a few weeks but it wasn’t to last. Hubby, who has incurable PC, was told to wean off the steroids he’s been on for about 4 years (Dexamethasone and Prednisolone) over a 5 week period preparatory to having Radium 223 in the autumn.  It seemed a rather quick process, from 10mg halving dose each week, and sure enough withdrawal symptoms arrived once he was down to 2.5 mg: tiredness, lack of appetite, nausea, vomiting.  His oncology team told him to go back on 5 mg but nothing changed.  He hasn’t eaten properly for 3 weeks, has lost 1.5 st, even had an auditory hallucination one day, and fainted twice in 4 days due to a BP plunge.  Same tests, same clear results in A&E each time.  I accept we're not medically trained but our thinking was cortisol deficiency while they concentrated on tests and scans of his head and chest and ignored us.  They even dismissed his pulse rate, which was pounding away at 40 bpm more than his usual low 50s  and scaring him silly, as being perfectly ok even though a fast heart rate is another sign of low cortisol (as is also the darkened areas of skin he had). 

In desperation he contacted our GP, hoping for a cortisol test to confirm whether that was the problem or not.  No test but he was told to go back on 9 mg and gradually reduce by 1 mg every week.  Even that seemed quick going by medical guidelines which recommend several months for the length of time he’s been on steroids, although that would vary according to dosage.  10 mg is a comparatively low dosage and in fact a later one as he started out on 2 mg Dexamethasone and then 5 mg Prednisolone, increased to 10 mg 2 years ago.  

The possibility of radium treatment is slowly diminishing, which is a b****r as we understand his bone mets are spreading.  In fact the ones in his hips and pelvis have finally begun to cause ‘painsomnia’ so he dozes during the day and still hardly eats.  He has a lot to discuss when we at last see his consultant, his last 3 reviews having been postponed.   Our stress levels are way high at present!

  • Hi  , that’s a horrible post to read and I am so sorry to hear the problems with weaning off the steroids.  I can fully understand your stress levels being so high.  I can’t offer any help other than to say we are here for you.

    Best wishes, David

    Please remember that I am not medically trained and the above are my personal views.

  • Hi Chocaholic28

    So sorry to hear of the troubles that hubby is having.

    I was on Prednisilone 5mg x2 per day for five months of this year whilst having chemotherapy.  My taper down process was over five weeks - one per day for first  week, then reducing to every other day for a week, then 3 times per week for a week ,then twice a week for a week, then one per week for last week.

    I felt exhausted during this process which finished 15 July. I am only now feeling like exercising and getting back to my "normal" self.  I did not have the other debilitating effects you mention, but I have felt "weird" for most of the last six weeks.  I do recall actually missing one tablet in the morning during my chemo recovery and that made me feel distinctly unwell during the rest of the day - chemo brain and HT brain fog and remembering to take tablets does not mix well!!!

    I do hope that things improve soon,

    All the best

    KrisPy

  • Hi KrisPy, 

    It sounds like you’ve had a rough time recently too.  Chemo side effects can be very unpleasant although hubby was relatively lucky with Docetaxel.  It was mostly metallic taste and oral thrush. I hope it has had the desired result for you after all that..

    Your taper schedule was about the same, reducing by half each week.  It’s interesting that even after only 5 months’ worth  you didn’t feel right.  Hubby actually missed two Prednisolone doses last year when he ran out .  Luckily he had a review that day as he passed out in the waiting room.  (This year really was like history repeating itself!)  On that occasion a doctor gave him a shot of hydrocortisone to prevent an adrenal crisis and he was back to normal almost immediately. 

    So far, returning to 9 mg doesn’t seem to have had much effect, although his BP has risen again recently.  However, he’s just had two very good nights’ sleep without any pain and is feeling more perky today.  Although still not really hungry, he even had a little more for lunch than usual, although this heat seems to affect one’s appetite in any case.  I suspect the pain is part of the problem, rather than just the steroids. 

    Good luck with your journey! 

    Hazel

  • I am not a member of this forum (in fact I am female) but I saw the title steroid tapering and felt I had something to contribute from my experience, so I hope you don’t mind me chipping in.

    In September 2023 I suffered a serious immunotherapy related adverse event that needed a steroid programme to help me recover. I spent a few days in hospital on IV steroids and after a few similar days in outpatients, I returned home on 60 mg of prednisolone a day. I was slowly reduced over 3 months until I was on 10mg a day, and then my problems began in getting down from that level. I went through a few false steps when I had to step back up, but essentially I went in the following steps: 7.5, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 2.5 alternating with 1, 1, then finally 1 every other day, over a 6 month period, spending at least 3 weeks on each step. The steps were somewhat constrained as the drug is available in 1mg, 2.5 and 5mg units. The first few days at each level were absolutely awful with the classic issues waiting for my body’s natural cortisol production kicking in. I did have a cortisol test at one point but my oncologist said the results would be skewed by me still being on steroids, albeit at a lower level.  It took me several months to get my mojo back after I stropped completely.

    I am not sure what you can read into this for your husband other than you have to go really really slowly and that it’s awfully difficult. When I was suffering from the insomnia and jitteriness of the early days on the very high doses, my oncologist told me the tail would be the hardest part. I didn’t believe her at the time but she was correct. I hope he can find a way through this.  

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  • Hi Coddfish, 

    No, I don’t mind you chipping in at all; in fact I’m very grateful for your comments. 

    I’ve now heard accounts from this and other groups to which I belong and it appears that other people’s unpleasant experiences of steroid weaning are very similar, even if they’ve only been taking them for a few months.  I must say we’re surprised and rather annoyed that his consultant didn’t warn us about the withdrawal symptoms and gave him such a quick tapering schedule.  Had we known, we wouldn’t have booked the events that we’ve recently had to cancel. 

    He is currently back on 9 mg, rather than the original 10 mg, which has raised his BP but still gets some bad nights when he can’t sleep due to pain and droops around the following day, not wanting to eat.  I’ve read that steroids are sometimes used as painkillers so perhaps have been masking his pain all this time. 

    We’ve been both reassured by people's comments and dismayed that the process should really take many months as he was hoping to have fairly urgent radium treatment once he had stopped taking them, or was at least managing to cope with 5 mg daily.  Unfortunately he hasn’t been and is as a result not fit enough for it at the moment. 

    I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been through such a rough and worrying time yourself and hope that your remission lasts for many years.  

    Best wishes 

    Hazel 

  • I think I was really lucky that the doctor who had the lead on my care at the time had managed other people through immunotherapy adverse events, so was very familiar with the challenges. I think you can taper more quickly if you haven’t been on them for long but it’s also a very individual thing finding out how you react.

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  • Update:  he saw his consultant today and has been changed from Prednisolone to 4 mg Dexamethasone.  His consultant is going ahead with the RA-223 as he said the cancer is now spreading rapidly and the first injection is in 2 weeks time.  

    Meanwhile I'm trying to get him to eat a little more but it's an uphill struggle due to the nausea.  I'm hoping that the change to Dexamethasone will help.

  • I hope that makes a difference

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  • My husband has stage 4 Metastatic Prostate Cancer and is currently now receiving due to Triplet therapy and cabazitaxel not working.  He too was suffering for severe nausea and has lost 4 stone since March. His palliative care team started him on dexamethasone last week starting on 4 2mg tablets in the morning and before 2pm. This dose will gradually reduce over the coming weeks. The difference this has made to his appetite is amazing, he is now back to eating 3 good meals a day with no nausea or vomiting.  The aim is to get him strong enough to be offered a trial slot at The Royal Marsden. Hope the starting of dexamethasone works for your husband.

  • Hi Cornwall12, I’ve only just seen your post.  Thank you for responding. 

    Just like you said, the difference has been amazing as soon as hubby changed to Dexamethasone.  I feel I’ve got him back instead of a zombie!  He’s had no more nausea either so I’m now trying to feed him up in preparation for the radium treatment.  He’s on 4 mg daily and his consultant hasn’t mentioned any further reduction before it starts so it looks like it’s ok to go ahead on that dose. 

    I hope your husband will be successful in being accepted for a trial at the Royal Marsden.