Hi everyone, first post ever on a forum site so please bear with me.
I am/was a single "healthy"(or so I thought) male of 55 years never smoked not overweight good diet ,moderate social drinker etc.
I was diagnosed with RCC back in Jan/feb with a 4cm Cancer tumour in my left Kidney.
This was found due to a scan which I had for a Liver cavernous Hemangioma . That's another topic in its self which does not belong here I guess.
It was one thing being told of the liver problem but to be hit several weeks later with the news I have cancer was a double whammy.
I underwent a partial Nephrectomy on the 16th March ,a date I will never forget. It was done with the Da Vinci Robot. The surgeon was fantastic however the after care in a "top" London Hospital was appalling to say the least. My family found the money to pay for this operation due to the fact the tumour was growing and we could not seem to get a date soon on the NHS. I wont name the Hospital on this public forum but im sure the treatment in an NHS from what I have experienced would have been far better.
I would like to ask those of you that have had major surgery ,is it normal for the patient after the surgery to be told to climb from the operating bed/trolly on to the hospital bed with drains,tubes,catheter attached? That was what I was told to do straight after the operation back in my room.
The next day the catheter stopped working because a nurse decided to strap one to my leg rather than leave the bottle on the floor. and it seemed to cause a vacuum , The kidney drain came out and had to be replaced, Blood seemed to flow back up the Morphine tube! The drain bag was put in bed with me at one point and seemed to have collapsed like a punctured football. How can anything drain into a bag like that? This was my first visit in Hospital and I could go on an on about my stay. It just seemed to lack professionalism . Day staff ok but the nights were quite frightening to say the least. Quite what would have happened in an emergency I don't know. Someone was ment to come in and show me how to get in and out of bed and what gentle exercises I needed to do ,a physio I guess? But never saw one.! No one seemed to be in charge.Dreadful place.
I am 11 weeks post operation and as per my heading , I am still in loads of pain in my stomach area.I cannot lean forward to put a left sock on without it feeling like someone is putting a knife through my belly lower region. My chest is tight and there is a burning sensation most of the time. The areas where the incisions all six of them are sore and swollen.My stomach is still bloated even with 10 lbs weight loss. I can only just drive as it was too painful to press the clutch down. I cant even open my garage door,its up and over and too heavy. My ribs at the ends hurt. Constant aching . I can walk and stand but sitting down and getting up again really hurts. Its like something is tearing in my stomach or something has been stitched to something that needs to move freely. Anything which squashes the stomach towards the thighs caused a lot of pain.
After several visits to the
The GP suggested they might have left an instrument in side me! So I was x rayed and told I was very constipated and that was causing the problems. That was about 6 weeks ago now.
Another x ray and its not really showing anything. I think I am waiting for a CT scan,the GP has written to the surgeon but still not heard anything.
I cant wear trousers or jeans if I have to sit down without undoing them because its agony on the places where the incisions were. It seems to be worse where the drain was which is interesting.
Its trakky bottoms for most of the time which is so not me.
Now the operation is over and im still alive ,friends seem to have all dispersed, with the theory and attitude "well you don't have cancer anymore its been taken away" All over ...move on ! If only they knew half of it. And if I had a £ for every time someone said "im there for you if you need me" what a load of old tosh! Talk is cheap ,very little action when you really do need help. Please tell me im not the only one who thinks this or experienced this?
So I am at my wits end ,I am unable to work anything other than some computer work but after a while its to uncomfortable to sit at a desk because the stomach is squashed .
Tasks like bending down to pick up a towel or even standing at the wash hand basin leaning forward to wash my face is painful. This should not be the case after 11 weeks post surgery. I followed the instructions of the surgeon after the operation ,two short walks per day ,keep moving around.
I feel so much is wrong inside me and I cannot get any one in the medical profession to give me an answer as to what the problem is . I keep asking ,getting appointments ,being prodded and examined but still no answers. I cannot continue to live like this . Im even told i need counciling ! I just need to feel normal again or at least feel like im improving day to day. I feel like a Frankenstein experiment..I am at the end of my tether feeling so rotten all the time day and night.
No one has any answers.
I have read on here some peoples experience with this operation of virtually being house bound still after about a year and I can fully understand and sympathise
I really think as patients we should be made more aware of how serious and complicated and the possible outcomes of this operation and not to expect a fast recovery all the time. Its far from straight forward and fraught with possible further problems.
We have all heard people say they know someone who "was playing football after a few weeks of having it done" nothing to it , "you can live easily with one kidney" All I can say is they haven't experienced anything like this.
I really would love to hear if anyone else has experienced similar to me and what was the result ?
Thank you for reading.
Hello I'm so sorry to hear about what you have and are going through.Firstly it may help to talk to one of the nurses here please phone the Macmillan support line at the phone number is at the side of the page. I had open surgery so can't comment on robotic surgery however many of your experiences following surgery sound bad practice to me as does the standard of or lack of care. Leg bags are often used but should not be placed on the bed with you as this can as you say prevent drainage.Blood can flow back into the cannula that your medication is given into.All in all it sounds like you had a nightmare experience.You could put in a complaint about your care through PALS every hospital has one ( patient advice and liaison) 11weeks is a short time as there is still a lot of healing going on inside I was told not to drive or lift anything heavier than a cup for the first three months.I didn't always do as I was told and found if I over did things it would wipe me out for a couple of days. It maybe worth while phoning the consultants secretary to chase up your scan date also you could contact your urology nurse specialist for the same and for advice. As for other people's experiences off running marathons etc well we are all different and individual so it's not a race to see who recovers from surgery the quickest you have to go with how you feel.Yes we do find out who are true friends are too and also some people do tend to think that once you have had your operation then all is wonderful but those that stick around are your true friends the others are best forgotten.I hope things start to improve for you soon Cruton
Hi Cruton,
Really appreciate you taking time to message me.
Thank you for the good advice I will do as you suggest. It has been a nightmare to say the least.
3 Months! wow. But feeling the way I do I can understand that time frame. I nearly at 3 months ...feels like three years.
Wish you well too.
Hi Drumboy. You really have had a bad time and a rough deal by the sound of it. Since 2009 I've had three operations on my left side: first a kidney removed, then a adrenal gland, then some more tissue from where the kidney was. These were all major openings and my side now looks like a map of the London underground! However, I've been fortunate to make a good recovery from each op within a couple of months. The last one (January) left me with more discomfort than previously and I got pains like a large needle being driven into my lower left abdomen and groin. I couldn't wear a belt, but braces are OK. Walking more than 300 yards or so was uncomfortable for the first couple of months, then I got myself an abdominal truss (used for intestinal problems usually). This helped me considerably. However, sounds like pressure may not be helping you.
I think you've every right to be making a fuss and demanding the surgeons sort the problem out. I had a specialist cancer nurse allocated to me and she gave me her contact details. I've phoned and emailed her several times and she's been able to sort a number of issues out for me, talking directly to the surgeon and his secretary and thus bi-passing some of the bureaucracy.
My good wishes go with you.
Oh god poor you. I am disgusted to hear that in the private sector you had this experience. I have always sworn by private care I had my partial nephrectomy in 2013 privately as well I must say the hospital I was in I was not over keen but the surgeon was amazing! You should really go back and see the consultant who did the surgery book an appointment. I am in Essex so if you feel like you need another surgeon let me know and I will direct you to an excellent one. I had open surgery but the pain still gets to me after nearly two years I do not think you should rush yourself I know that we expect miracles but it takes a long time. Me too like had a double whammy had a heart operation three weeks prior to finding out about the cancer! People are people I have had the same have no clue as to how we feel I have had a breakdown with the anxiety have decided to not bother with some so called friends and family now as you say talk is cheap! Take care and get your follow up CT scans done as well.
Best Wishes
Hello Drumboy. I hope by now you've experienced most relief from your surgery. I am a 55 yo female who donated my left kidney 14 years prior and healed completely. But in 2016 had a partial nephrectomy 4cc RCC found on remaining kidney. Surgery went well, but had a huge clot in ureter that blocked urine flow and built up enough pressure to burst the sutures in kidney. Stent was in for 3 months then removed. For the past year and a half I've had constant pain at the kidney site, not the puncture sites of robotic arms. Now I've been on narcotics this entire time round the clock. Have met with the surgeon, had every test available with no abnormal results. Yes, I've also been told I needed counseling. It's very frustrating. At this point I'm just tired of this unrelenting pain that feels like someone has stuffed their hand up under my rib cage and is holding on. I have been told by a GN that there's a certain number of people who have had a surgery of any kind that will experience chronic pain . There is no reason why this occurs, but it does happen. I find that validating but also sad for me to not eventually be pain free.
Hi , thank you for taking time to message me . I had forgotten all about that post . It will be 3/4 years I can't remember as have this flu that's going around at present .
How dreadful to think you gave up a kidney and the other one developed Cancer . Theres no justice for some people is there ?Â
The blockage sounds horrendous , that didn't even dawn on me that could happen . I hate to think how they sorted that out ?Â
I do feel for you , I have never felt quite the same since the operation and still things like sweeping up with a broom makes it all ache and feel tired a lot of the time . My outlook and disposition has changed and I'm very depressed a lot of the time . I haven't worked properly since and Im having to sell the house due to financial pressures . Money has literally ran out . And move to a cheaper area . The yearly scans are like Russian roulette each year waiting for the results as I sure you appreciate ? Friends just don't under stand the implication of it all . What really pressed it home was the words the consultant wrote in his summery of the scan in November . " There is no sign of decease reoccurrence" he was only stating facts but it only that tiny word "no" that makes that sentence ok . Â I had to read it several times . I'm just very edgy still . Life pretty grim with one hing and another and no sign of things improving for the moment . Could always be worse of course .
I wish you all the best DrummerboyÂ
Same as you, robotic partial nephrectomy. I was uncomfortable for 18 months +. The numbness will always be there and is disconcerting. I wore a nightshirt and dressing gown for 8 weeks before I even tried trousers. Didn't drive for 10 weeks. Still don't feel completely ok now although subsequent scans have been clear. Some urological issues ongoing but not cancer.
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I'm so glad someone "reactivated" this thread recently. This entire forum is by far the most comprehensive community Ive come across of REAL experiences, as opposed to what the hospitals and surgeon's tell us "should" happen.
I am 8 weeks post partial nephrectomy, and the pain in the kidney area/flank is crippling recently. I came looking for some answers, as it's the weekend, and even if I call on Monday, getting a call back is iffy at best.Â
On one hand terrified of the prospect of years of potential pain, but on the other, strangely reassured by the fact that others have suffered the same.
 I was told only that I shouldn't drive for 2 weeks, or work for about 4. That's it. So was I supposed to be all better by then??Â
I stayed out of work for 5 weeks, and am back, but going at it so slowly bc the pain and exhaustion gets overwhelming. I work for myself, so cutting back on my working so much to accommodate the "healing" is a financial strain. I can totally see how the original poster is finally suffering, even years after surgery.
I'm beginning to feel like noone believes me. Today has been excruciating. The incision sites are also all very tender, but the kidney area is throbbing. My flank is also painful to the touch in the kidney area.
I was diagnosed, completely by accident, at age 46. Told I should be in my 70s before I even potentially got RCC, but LUCKY ME. I went from feeling young, to now I feel elderly.Â
Everything has changed.  :/
Hello I don’t know if you are a memebernof the fb group called Uk kidney cancer support network? It’s a excellent site with lots of advice etc, go and see your GP but you could be suffering with nerve damage due to the incision, I’m sure your still in shock as you’ve not really had time to digest what has happened.  I’m 18 months on and still have days where I think about it but it does get easier.
Hope you feel better soon
Lisa x
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