Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



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    Fran,

    take the easy way - throw the pans in the bin and but some more! save all that washing up liquids on the environment - or probably not a good idea really. Glad you are off out tonight have a good time from me.

    Christine,
    I got swept away in that as well though would probably have gone for "Wish you Were Here" instead , just different music for the reak deal of wondering off in your mind. Bliss.

    Enjoy
    Andrew



    Back from radiotherapy which went quite smoothly afetr my mate was late for me, but we made it in time and now not much more to go. The bed dismount was slightly better today although still needed several attempts to get upright. Artistic merit lower at 5.6 and the technical ability was woeful, probably 5.0. Arthritic giraffe with crutches to picture this one - lol.

    Anyway now back home and feeling good. Pain not bad and easing afetr the exertions of the day and looking forward to an easy evening doing nothing much. I have had some good news from a friend about some financial problems which have been solved and that has brightened me up as well. In times of fighting disease the last thing you want is to fight your financials at the same time so I am so pleased he has got these things resolved.

    Happy happy happy all round at th emoment then, nice really. lol.

    Good evening to everyone whatever you are up to from me and catch up with anyone around later.

    Andrew



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    hi andyrh ..............im off to work in a few hours , just wanted to say have a good evening , and any time you want a natter or compare music tastes let me know !!!!

    kind regards

    suex

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    Sue,

    anytime just add me and we can compare and resolve the world via music. Enjoy yourself at work, strange to be wishing someone that but its a topsy turvey place this. Have fun.

    Christine.,

    I will be aiming for a triple flip with a double twisting back somersault thrown in for good measure, or, failing that, standing up straight first time with a little dignity - lol.

    I am now going to complete todays sudoku and havea go at the crossword and see where I get. My brain training wnet well this morning I scored age 36 which I thought was pretty good considering it was 56 yesterday and 70 last week. At least my mind is getting younger!!



  • Andrew, good news about the Radio. then....pity the gymnastics are still rubbish, I bet you're glad I wasn't there to make you laugh as I would do even worse, not the worlds best at leaping around, me!

    Am busy getting ready to go see a pal, and have been busy giving myself panic attacks with the music I need to know by Saturday, not only that, but sight-reading too, Help!!!!!!! (have an audition!)

    Moomy

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    You do like to pack the stuff in to last minutes don't you?

    I would love to have been able to hear the audition. I am so confident that, inspite of you own misgivings, I have faith that all will be thoroughly prepared and will go smoother that a snake in baby oil thats been polished with lambs wool and buffed with the finest cashmere.

    In the immortal words of the Hitchikers Guide to the Universe - "Don't Panc".

    Any help?

    I can come up with many more to help your path - honest I can write/speak/sight read any form of bull**it to help out a friend in need. (ps see above why it won't actually be bull**it in reality)

    Andrew

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    Andrew,

    I've just started my radiotherapy and haven't even managed to get the hang of getting on the table, let along the gymnastic dismounts you've been discussing. In fact I'm beginning to wonder whether it might have been me holding you up the other day with my inability to remove my own clothes! At my age you would have thought I'd have got the hang of it by now!

    Actually found this discussion because I've recently been diagnosed and am completely confused by the lack of support from some but thankfully the great support from often unexpected sources. It seemed such a friendly and humourous discussion can I play too?

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    Good evening Rosy,

    of course you can play here, we or I, want to have fun and help whilst getting help. I started this thread because I was in a place I couldn't see out of and my friends on theis thread helped me immediately with brilliant words of advice and comfort.

    Its just so easy to get lost in everything and a third party perspective is invaluable when faced with all that is and will be throw at you. The docs and hospitals and professionals are ususallu decicated and well meaning but they sometimes make assumptions about our understanding of what is happening to us. the communication black hole has caught me out several times and I have then put it on here and got the gist I was after in the first place.

    Everyone will help you here and if we can't someone will know someone or somewhere to get what you need.

    Just ask when you need.



    Andrew

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    hi everyone,
    welcome rosy, glad you joined us, we are sometimes a bit mad, but always very supportive, andrew glad radiotherapy went well, have to keep working on those dismount tecniques, good you are feeling better than this morning, take care
    christine, seem to keep missing you but if you are about, hi, hope you have had a good day
    dianne xx
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    H|, Rosy. Yet another flower for the pot. Glad youve joined our daft ladies and Andrew site (as me and dianne call it), although not happy that you have been put in a position to have to be here. But now you are, Im sure you will find it very helpful and supportive, and you will also be able to give others your support from your own experiences - and a laugh now any then I hope.
    God Bless.

    Dianne.
    Hope you had a good trip into town today with your daughter. Window shoping only I hope - no overspending.
    Ive had a quiet day - very pleasant - down in my little summer house.
    Luv to you.

    Christine.
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    Hello Andy

    I only joined yesterday and you were the first person who helped i feel slightly bad because i was ranting away and you listened to me even though its my dad who has cancer and it was my mother who died 20 years ago again from cancer, and i didnt know your situation but i agree whole heartedly when my mum had cancer she had a lot of friends and when she was at her worse no one came, in those days i think people thought they might catch it so they dispearsed, she threw herself into working with young kids at the youth centre even though she knew she was dying but carried on, she was even given an award by the town for the work she did in the community this came after she died and my family told them they didnt want it, if she wasnt good enough to receive it when she was alive no way was he having it when she was dead.

    Your a good person but its good to rant let off steam tell the world why me shout it from the highest hills i think people try to understand when they dont and ask the most stupid questions like are you ok when as you say your not thats just people for you.

    i just wanted to say your a top bloke andy and no one friend or stranger like me can take that away from you ...........you should be proud because you helped me no end and for that i thankyou from the bottom of my heart



    myke