Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



  • Hi, Sue, it's 65000! We used to sing an arrangement of that song!

    I'd love another Abba song, 'Money money money', I really do like Abba, I'm a bit old fashioned, I guess, but the beat is good and the lyrics are clear and choir also sang an arrangement of that, too....

    Moomy

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    Liz is up very earley today for her appt - bet everyone else is still asleep though, personally have been awake since about 6.30 so got and decided to do some work (of a kind).

    I have re-typed and tidied my drugs per day folder on the computer and printed out fresh copies for the pain doc on monday and for me for every day usage, so at least I know what to take and when - this may evn avoid a catastrophe like earlier this week - lol.

    I have had my early coffee and am about to take this mornings drugs and, surprisingly, my bach ache is less than nornmal this morning so maybe things are on the up at last, we shall see as the day progresses, been standing up now since I got out of bed without too much issue re pain! and that can't be a bad thing.

    If you are at all wondering why on earth I am standing up then there are three reasons -:

    1. it re-aligns my spine from laying down all night so the pressure point moves to the normal poisition and can then judge the pain level better for the day

    2. I can do some simple stretching excercises to try and relieve the above mentioned pressure points and try to get back some muscle tone in my legs and back

    3. I can nosey out of the kitchen window at whats going on outside!

    Anyway I have been here for nearly two hours now so am about to go and sit down for a while and plan my day. Lunch out today with Richard and I am driving - hopefully - to his neck of the woods so that should be good, then followed by nothing as i don't have any more things planned lol.

    After discovering the day planner in my mobile phone I transferred all my appts onto it and gpot rid of the paper copies, bad move! Yesterday I accidently deleted next weeks appts instead of just one days single appt. So I now can't recall all the things that were in there and have had to just replace the ones I can remember. This is a lesson for me, once a Luddite always a Luddite, as a technophobe I must keep a paper copy or else!!!!

    Either today or tomorrow I must get some wrapping paper for Anne's presents and make that decision about the purse/jewellry/perfume etc as In am out for lunch with her on Sunday so I can't do it then or there will be no surprises next Tuesday when we are out for her birthday tea.

    Goodness the things a "Sainted" brother has to do to retain his halo! - lol

    So I am assuming that we will all meet up at some point during the day today and, in case I am out at 3,00pm, I will have my sonmg ready for this afternoons "Dance the rap out Cancer" time and will be here or dancing in the car or in my head.

    Everyone will be ready hope with their inspirational song (including any by-passers).

    See you all soon and,

    Best wishes from me to you.

    Andrew
    xx


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    Well Good Morning,

    in the time it took me to type all of that people arrived!! - lol

    morning Sue and Helen and how are you both today?

    Andrew

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    hi andrew im fine , bruising is 'yellow' now !!!!!

    im off out to go and see my friend soon ........mixed feelings ...........looking forward to it as another friend and her little boy going too .the other part im dreading as she has been quite vitriolic the past few days .

    one of the things she is 'disturbed ' by is me being here on this site .........i have tryed to explain that it helps me so much , but she has this idea that its self indulgent of me to be here when i could be talking to her about what she is going through !!!



    im in a no win situation as she talks to me , then next time she tells me she is fed of repeating herself and doesnt want to talk .

    aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!
    feel better now i have let that out !!!!
    suexxxxxxxxxx

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    Hi Sue,

    at least you won't be there alone which will help have you shown yor lother friend the site and get her on side with you about how it helps you! or let her know that it gives you the opportunity to look for ways you can discuss things with her in a more informed way by looking at other poeples issues, then she may see it as a good thing - i.e. it helps you help her.

    I'd say have a good time but then you may not - just have to try and make the most of it - we both know some peoples attitudes change like the the wind and she sounds like one of them doesn't she!

    I hope that by visiting her then her vitrial will change to balm and things will go smoothly, i would have a quick word with your other friend before you get there and make a plan of attack to chnage her course every time she starts to get down on things and you. It may or may not work but at least you won't be lost and alone in the conversationm if it turns nastier.

    Hope it goes well, if not then you always have us to rant about it to. lol.

    Andrew
    xx
  • Hello, Andrew, good that you are here....I so agree about having a paper copy.....

    Sue, sorry you are having to cope with difficulty again, you could point out that the site helps you in understanding your friend's condition, and gives you a chance to discover about the range of emotions people go through.......just a thought...glad your bruising is going and hope you don't feel sore now....

    Moomy

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    Hi Moomy,

    are you another technophobe (Ihope you are) there are way too few of us left!!!! lol

    Plans for today? andything exciting at all?

    Andrew
    xx
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    thanks andrew , my idea in going with my other friend was just that , to act as a buffer ...........i have talked to my other friend about the situation , so she is aware .........the strange thing is my friend never does what she does with me when my other friend is there ..........my fella thinks i should take it as a compliment that she can be herself with me , but at times if im being honest i feel like staying away and having some space to lick my wounds
    i know that sounds incredibly selfish and i hate myself feeling this way but its the only way i know sometimes of how to deal with it all .

    i dont and will not stop going , but please god take the alien away that has possessed my friend !!!

    suexxxxxxxxx
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    Sue,

    yuou really are in a no win place here aren't you? I think your bloke is right and you shpould take the higher ground here - it will make you feel better about things and, eventually, maybe your friend will realise that too. If she doesn't then you have lost nothing and if she does you both gain everything. That maybe selfish as well but I think the right kind of selfish - no-one gets hurt (if you can take the emotional bruising) and it may just become a win-win situation.

    Thats the best I can think of at the moment but if I come up with something better I will let you know!

    Hope it works and your emotions can take the short term storms for the longer term potential calm.

    Andrew
    xx
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    no matter what 'poo' i get thrown at me , i am here for the long haul , she aint driving me away !!!!

    thanks for letting me 'rant' a bit , it has helped

    suexxxxxxxxxxx