Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



  • FormerMember
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    sometimes the system cannot find it's own rear end with sign posts, map and hands up ownback side. I am sorry that the system has 'monkeyed' your appointment!!
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    hi Juls,

    yes it is annoying but crap happens doesn't it?

    How are you today?

    Andrew

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    Hi I'm OK -- but slowly losing my cool as (now my grandson is back at school) and I am not due back to work for another couple of days, I am working through my marking and am beginning to feel "miffed" wondering just why my students think I should do their folder presentation for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apart from that the sun is shining and Hubby is having a good day despite chemo so all is well!

    How are you apart from being Victor Meldrew?
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    pretty good really, I like my Victor moments, they get it off your chest.

    think have infection and will sort it out but pain better and manageable and going out, even if just to hospital, in a few minutes so its good.

    Looking forward to next week most and getting behind the wheel of my car again - I miss it - its silly but I do. then I will have a modicum of indepenence back again and that is a big step in the right direction for me. Even if all i do is go to the supermarket by myself it will be brilliant - and if the sun is shining and I can put the car roof down then even better.

    You can't expect a student to do something they can get someone else to do instead can you - thought that wnet against all the current laws of the universe!!

    Andrew

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    Right, off to Radiotherapy now and then docs on the way back, i owe the hospital coffee shop 85p for yesterdays coffee as I forgot to take my money with me - I blamed the drugs and the girl behind the counter bought my coffee for me - that was so nice of her so I am going to make sure i give her the cash back today.

    Have fun everybody and catch up soon.

    Andrew
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    Absolutely agree with you there, it is unrealistic to expect students to work, care, and take responsibility for anything over and above just attending. There are time when I worry about many of them. Occasionally I feel priviledged to have just some of them in my class, these mostly progress on to teacher training!

    I am sorry to hear you have an infection, I hope it gets sorted quickly, err OK well after monkeys have played with appointment calendars.
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    Hi Andrew,

    When I told my team mates at work that I had cancer they all rallied round. I get visits and e-mails at least monthly and weekly when they can from work that is.

    One person just avoided me and it was so obvious. I said why are you not talking to me. He used to make me brews but never did since I went back after my operation. (his father had cancer) He is till alive. So perhaps things were raw for him. Still hurt me though but can understand.

    I have three sisters Chris, Joan and Helen. they are all older than me.

    Chris had breast cancer last year and is recovering from reconstruction surgrey age 53. She rings when i txt her with info of mine.

    Helen lives in Oz and txts and talks all the time age 47. She works in a hospice there.

    Joan came to visit me in hospital not seen hide or hair of her since no txt phone call nothing age 47.

    I didn't speak to her much before so its no loss and I don't forgive her for not telling me mum was ill so I could visit before she passed away. (anyway that's another story). She said that she was there for Chris when she was going through it all.

    I do have a few close friends that are still around and are willing to take out a bald one boob woman because and the end of the day i am still me just with a bit missing (haha)

    I hope that this makes sense.

    lots of love
    Fran
    xx
  • Andrew, hope the Doc and treatment help you, you need to get comfortable if you are to bump around in a car, whatever sort!

    Moomy

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    Fran, Maybe we would go out together. At least together we would make 'A Pair'. herherher(thats my horsey laught)
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    Hi Andrew

    My husband, also an Andrew, died in December after 15 months of treatment.  

    Firstly, I have to say you find yourself thinking all kinds of thoughts about other people, I used to look at all my friends who had married absolute (expletive deleted!) and gone through hell divorcing them and think "why did my lovely husband have to die, why couldn't it have been one of theirs?".  Cancer does that to you, it makes you think thoughts you never thought you would.  Don't beat yourself up about it, we all do it, I think it comes with the disease and you shouldn't feel bad.  You have enough to deal with just coming to terms with your diagnosis.

    Secondly, true friends will be there no matter what you throw at them.  It won't take you long to work out who you can rely on and who you can't.  My husband was one of five children and his four siblings were absolutely useless, to the point that I will only speak to one of them now and she left a lot to be desired.  They just vanished when he was ill, one of his brothers spoke to him three times in fifteen months - what use is that?

    Friends, on the other hand, stood in where family should have been and the support we received before and after his death from people around us who we aren't related to took my breath away.  If they care, they'll be there no matter what.  They sound as if they are true friends and will want to help.  I know I would if it were one of my friends.

    Cancer turns your life upside down and nothing will ever be the same again.  Don't expect too much of yourself right now and try not to over-analyse things as far as emotions go.  I never knew how I was going to feel from one minute to the next, still don't four months after loosing Andy.  And yes, it's horrible being asked how you are - I've posted something to that effect on "just chat".  I usually answer with "still here".  It's true!

    I wish you luck with the fight, Andrew.  Half an hour on this website will show you you are not alone.
    All the very best,
    Clare