Prostate Cancer in Bones

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I was diagnosed back in early September having visited the GP because, I had back pain, lost weight, no appetite and was tired. I also developed pain in my right arm and leg. I had an x ray and blood tests. The former indicated wear and tear but I was shocked when the GP said your PSF is 420 and sent me to my local Urology clinic. The GP oroginally thought I had arthritis of some sort. I had a CT scan and bone scan which confirmed I had prostate cancer and that cancer cells were in my skeleton. I started on the tablets almost six weeks ago and had my first hormone injection almost four weeks ago. They suggested to me that I might want to consider chemo which I have to say I initially refused. The nurse persuaded me to have an appointment with an oncologist just to discuss it to which I agreed, She said if you do not want this treatment that is fine don't have it.

I saw an oncolgist a week ago who was in my view bordering on useless! By this time the pain in my leg and arm had gone, I still have some pain in my back if like now I am bent over a keyboard, but it is nothing like the pain I had before treatment. It is like the pain you get if you do a lot of bending and goes away when I sit upright, My GP originally arranged an x ray and this showed wear and tear in my spine, I am 75. I think I now have the wear and tear pain it is nothing like the permanent nagging pain I had. The oncologist asked me questions about how the hormone treatment was working, I explained the back bit, that I now had got my energy back and was eating normally again. She said you seem to have reacted well to the hormone treatment. She told me all about the side effects of chemo but I had already read these! She talked several times about how chemo was dangerous and could kill me, this is why we have an emergency number. She did not advise me in any way more or less saying you can have chemo if you want it but if I did,'nt that was fine. I asked her if this would improve my prospects she talked about the Stampede trial and how it suggested those who had chemo lived 10 to 15 months longer than those that did not. I said so you are saying this would be of benefit to me, she said she could not really say if it would or would not be.

The decision is left to me she would not give a view on if I should do this. I have always been very opposed to chemo so I think I am going to refuse it and take the gamble that the hormone treatment is and continues to work. My urology nurse says I will die of something else in all probability and the chemo is just a belts and braces addition. By the way I should have said the cancer has not spread anywhere else but for the cells in my phones at present. The oncologist also said you can have chemo later if necessary and of course there are several hormone treatments to try if this one stops working in the future!

Anybody got any thoughts, do others have this lack of advise from am an oncologist? To be honest it seemed to me in some ways she was telling me not to have chemo, she also said I would not have the option a year ago. Has anybody on here been offered chemo and refused it?

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    FormerMember

    I'm not in your situation but noticed you haven't had any replies as yet, so I thought I'd just offer you my thoughts.

    As you probably already know the pain you were experiencing may partly have been bone pain and partly nerve compression due to tumours in your spine.  It sounds as if the hormone treatment (HT)  has some success in reducing the size of these.

    I imagine, to monitor the progress of this treatment, you will have repeated Prostatic Specific Antigen (PSA)  tests.  If the HT is working, your PSA should go down and stay down.

    As you also will realise, this does not cure the condition.  It slows down it's progress.  It's not entirely possible to predict how well this will continue to work.  It could be many years, but everyone is diffetent.  Hopefully you have access to some statistics however.

    As regards the chemo, I see you say you already have information about this and it's side effects. I'm sorry that you feel the doctors aren't giving you advice on this.  It is their role to inform you about your treatment options and also about the benefits of the options and the risks.  If they have not done this, then this is unsatisfactory, but it is not really their role to "advise" you what to do, it is truly your choice.

    The consequences of chemo can be quite extreme especially when you're older and so you have to decide whether on balance, the risks of the treatment outweigh the benefits.  Is it worth risking shortening your life in an attempt to lengthen it.  Is it worth living longer the quality of life is poorer.

    In my opinion the remark that you'll probably die of something else is a sort of "text book" remark. 75 years young is not that old and the truth of the remark depends on how healthy you are otherwise.  That chemo might kill you is both true and misleading.  Anyone having keeping is carefully monitored and I'm sure it would never get to that point.

    I imagine you'd like to discuss the choice with others and there will be others on this site that will reply to you, I hope so. 

    The other thing you could do is contact a local prostate cancer support group.  There are many of these about the country.  If you phone the Macmillan helpline they should be able to tell you more about where you live.  Tel 0808 808 00 00

  • Hi CD

    I am no expert on Chemo but have read about it over the years , also various posts on here from people who have been thru it.

    Although some people do suffer from side effects there are others who don't or just a minimal amount.

    I do think that Chemo  is different today compared with 20/30 years ago, maybe no need to be so fearful of it.

    Your specialist talked about using it as a belt and braces approach, why don't you wait for a while and see what happens with the HT, if that keeps the psa under control then continue with that, some people survive for years on HT alone.

    Then the Chemo is always there if u need it in the future.

    Best wishes

    Steve

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    FormerMember in reply to Grundo

    Thanks for the replies guys.

    Steve, my thoughts coincide with yours. Apparently chemo at my stage is a newish idea and around a year ago it would not have been offered. It is as a result of a trial called Stampede which said chemo at this stage could increase life span by 10 to 15 months. Later chemo may not be quite as successful it is thought, but the oncologist says there are other hormone treatments as well. The onconologist was totally vague about its benefits!

  • I seem to remember reading that if Chemo is given at an earlier stage it improves outcomes but not sure how  factual that is. Could be worth researching.

  • I am currently receiving chemotherapy for cancer in my ribs, I had surgery and my PSA is still relatively elevated.  So far week one has been the hardest with things easing week two and three.  I am younger than you at 50 and otherwise relatively fit and healthy.  It’s a personal decision which I respect, being younger I decided for an aggressive approach hoping to manage for years to come.  My thought being the more under control then more breathing space before any future setbacks cause issues.

    Just because the pain has eased doesn’t mean the cancer has gone, purely not causing issue.  The stampede trial was also mentioned to me, it is also the current approach for breast cancer.  Yes I have bone pain and have taken tramadol but this is for a few days after chemo.  Week two and three I can return to normality,  there will be a new normal this understand and accept.

    they do not know how aggressive the cancer is or how quickly it will continue to grow,  therefore there are no certainties.  We cannot tell how long hormone therapy will work for or how any growth will affect you later. I’m glad it’s my decision as f things go badly later I haven’t received any unrealistic or false promises.

    I wish you well in this difficult decision and this journey we are on.  It’s Your journey and your choice 

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Grundo

    They finished a trial in 2016 called Stampede, you have probably seen that Grundo. Oncologist was rather uncommited about it, but that is why chemo can be offered now.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to YoungMan

    In your shoes and if I was 50 I might make the same ddcision as you YoungMan.You have a lot of life keft to live. The very best of luck to you as well!

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Hi 

    My husband prostate cancer is agressive and spread into his lymph node...he had his first cycle of chemo on October 31st which he tolerated well.However 7 days later he became ill. He seemed to have all symptons associated with chemo all at once. Very very scary. He was admitted to hospital where he stayed for 5 days. Oncologist said it was to do with white blood cells. He is due to have more chemo next week and our oncology team said they can give him some medication to help combat any side effects. The chemo treatment seems brutal but hopefully its working. 

  • Hi

    i ve gone through the stampede trial and yes it can wear you down, HT works well for some people, which is good, did they offer radiotherapy? As this can help with the back pain, 

    I have it in various places and my spine, trouble is when it’s in your bones you have to be careful as they become brittle, in my spine there’s two blown vertebrae ( slipped disc ) to help build the bones I take alca D tablets their calcium based, ive been told my bones are doing better. 
    As regards chemo, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it does prolong life.

    joe