immunotherapy treatment story: My daughter has stage 4 malignant melanoma, metastatic, (from unknown origin, probably gynaecological) with main large tumours on ovaries and others on breast and neck, small lesion on kidney. Only properly diagnosed in July 24. Treatment so far of one dose of Nivolumab, then two of new combined drug infusion Nivo/ipi She was told nothing immediately life threatening, was not curable but very treatable, may get some side effects with double doses. Plan was for 24 sessions, monthly, 3 month scans. She developed thyroid problems, now treated with thyroxin and is fine on it. Kidney problems caused cancelling of December session. Scan in December, just had brief meeting January with oncologist. He said tumours still showing growth, but no new lesions anywhere, however as they show growth he's stopping treatment and scans etc., sorry, but palliative care only. (she is 46, divorced mother of 3 young children, otherwise healthy) Total shock, meeting was only 5 minutes, didn't offer ANY other alternative, and had previously said he didn't believe in pseudo progression with immunotherapy. Major points: EVERY single scientific paper and medical paper/report says it is very important for doctors to register two things with immunotherapy: it frequently shows tumour progression before growth stops then shrinks, AND it takes up to 6 sessions before scans show stop and/or shrink results. It should be noted by oncologists that stopping too soon is completely wrong with immunotherapy. Her doctor actually says he doesn't believe in pseudo progression (there are no papers saying it's not relevant, only proven facts that it is!) and having got over the shock of being dismissed so abruptly, she is now demanding a new doctor to at the very least go over the facts that she has no new growths, and has only had 2 treatments! She is also, apart from the discomfort of abdominal tumours pressing on bladder and bowel (which is also why he never offered to operate) feeling well in herself - another frequently-noted sign the immunotherapy is very likely working. She has in effect been told to go home, and just wait till it all gets big enough and she dies We are now looking to get an urgent private consultation, to go over scans, treatment etc., so she can make a proper informed decision to demand another consultant - her local hospital is a major teaching one, with excellent facilities. This one doctor is the only complaint she has, her Macmillan nurses are very good. Anyone else been through anything similar, with being told to stop even though treatment hasn't had long enough to work?
Hi PamelaR and a very warm welcome to the group which I hope you'll find is both an informative and supportive place to be.
I haven't had the same experience as your daughter but there are some Stage 4 people in the group and, if any of them have had a similar experience, I'm sure they'll pop on soon.
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Anne
Hi PamelaR.
I'm not an expert, but I am Stage 4 and have been through the full cycle of immunotherapy.
Getting a second opinion is a very wise decision.
I obviously don't know the medical details, however as described, the oncologist's approach seems unreasonable and defeatist.
Get stuck in and find out whether there's justification for the current approach. (I hope there isn't and that you find an alternative solution).
All the best to you & your daughter.
Good luck!
thank you - we have asked for a meeting with him to see if he will change his mind, bearing in mind she is not generally unwell in herself, plus there are no new lesions at all since first scan, plus he had promised to let her decide in that case, now changed without any options. Totally defeatist in stopping after just a couple of sessions, plus with no new lesions, and not giving her any say in it at all. Gave her a v brief 5 minute meeting, then dismissed! Not really hopeful of meeting him again, he is very arrogant and abrupt. He is also the lead in that hospital so no way would he let one of his team override his decision, so she has no hope of getting a second opinion from the same team there. However, she is now going to pay to get a fast specialist consultation at the leading cancer hospital here, she has found out her rights in that she can move hospitals, get a paid private initial consultation - which will either confirm it is hopeless or decide to continue the treatment she should be getting - and then continue with the NHS. Pleased to discover you can do this, even if current oncologist says he is stopping treatment, you can go elsewhere. I will update on this thread as things go on. Don't really think it's a clutching at straws situation, it's just going on with what has started, as she said - she isn't bedridden and feeling terrible, and she is just at the stage in treatment showing what all medical info on immunotherapy states. She deserves better than he has done.
So glad your daughter has the energy to deal with all of this. I’m stage 4 and I have had amazing support from oncology so reading your post made me quite angry/upset for you all. It is hard enough dealing with a diagnosis and navigating your way through the shock, thankfully there are a lot of positive stories on this forum which will hopefully motivate you for the push forward.
wishing positive energy in abundance for you all xx
thanks - it's now a waiting game - she been given the chance now to see another specialist at the wonderful cancer hospital in Glasgow this time, so we just hope this one registers all the well-documented facts re her treatment drugs. everywhere else seems to, it's her original doctor that has caused such upset; the way she got dismissed so abruptly that is the big shock, with all the info out there that this man actually wouldn't acknowledge! Today she found yet another new report into her particular drug (Opdualag), saying, again, how it is known following all the trials that is takes longer than a single drug treatment to take effect and will show progression before that, so after only 2 doses him saying 'well, gave it a shot, but still growing..' you can see how angry we all are. And once again, no new lesions. She just needs this urgent referral to get going, so treatment can continue as originally planned!
Hi Pamela,
I am sorry you are being treated so badly. Some people were never made to be doctors (or nurses come to that). Well done for researching and finding a way forward. It takes a lot of strength and tenacity to navigate the NHS, its systems and culture.
We have been very lucky with our team in Birmingham so far. Only thing is, it's a 2 hour drive each way for us.
My husband has stage 4 melanoma of lung and started immuno in September. He's had a similar pattern to your daughter in that his thyroid has packed up (and has yet to be stabilised) and now after 5 sessions, his kidneys are struggling. He was fit and healthy before immuno. A runner, often winning races in his age category. He's 75. The lesions were found incidentally last May.
We have an appointment with the oncologist next Tuesday and are wondering whether treatment will continue. The December scans showed the lesion in the lung had shrunk but they weren't sure if there was something on his liver now. His hands and feet are swelling and he's concerned about losing the use in them if it doesn't settle down. He's very tired and the immuno knocks him out for about 10 days before he starts picking up. He often hasa low temperature and gets shivery.
He is still managing somehow to work full time!
He obviously wants the immuno if it's working but there's a limit to how much the body can take especially with the kidneys, so we are concerned they will stop it.
I would be interested to hear how your daughter gets on with a second opinion.
Take care of yourself too
Squeak x
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