Mom’s limited sclc diagnosis

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A few weeks ago, my mom (71) was diagnosed with sclc following weight loss over the Summer. She feels well and had no signs beyond weight loss and the occasional energy dip. She was immediately put on a treatment plan of chemo and radiation. I believe chemoradiation is the norm for SCLC that’s characterised as limited (ie. is confined to the chest / lungs with limited involvement of nearby nodes). However, she will have two cycles of chemo before commencing radiation. My question is, isn’t chemoradiation supposed to be concurrent? If so, why the delay? She is fragile to due low BMI but has had no side-effects so far from her first cycle of chemo (cisplatin and etoposide). She has no other medical conditions. 

My second question is related to her outlook. The diseases is labelled “limited” but I only find the grimmest predictions. The pulmonologists said that if left untreated she would not have had much time left. Which comes as a shock to someone feeing fine with normal energy levels. With treatment the doctors said something about two years, but also that the treatment is aimed at curing and not just controlling. This contradiction is supposedly resolved by saying that once cured, it will come back, and that then further treatment options are limited (repeat chemo impossible). This almost makes it seem that it is better to have extended SCLC which is treated with immunotherapy. So I am a little lost as to how the limited disease variant has a materially similar outlook as the extended disease outlook. 

My third question relates to what to do. I am the only child to my father who is turning 75 and my mother who is turning 72 in a few months. I live in the UK (since 20 years) whereas they live in Europe a Eurostar ride away. I have been able to go with her to attend her first chemo sessions and have done a lot of work to set up support, which at this stage they don’t really want as not needed (home care, shopping assistance, help with meals and cooking) since she still feels fine. It’s all felt like a death sentence to someone who isn’t suffering. As things progress, I feel I need to decide whether I should return home for the remainder of her illness.  This to avoid my father becoming overwhelmed (I don’t want him driving around each night od Winter for take away meals, for example) and to provide my mother with moral support. At the same time, they probably don’t want me there all the time. They want to continue to live their normal lives now while this is still possible. Given the dire prognosis on most medical sites, however, I am conscious that things can change rapidly and previous little time may be left. I don’t want to end up living with more regret or guilt than I already do. I already that had I been more vigilant, I could have ensured that as a smoker she had regular CT scans rather than ignoring months of weight loss. The GP was at fault there, putting it down to a poor diet.  The GP referred her to a dietitian and told her to come back in four months. I feel like my mom’s been let down tremendously in life and that makes it even more heartbreaking. 

Does anyone has advice, medical baaed on experience or emotional in terms of what the right level of on the ground presence is? Leaving my job and life in London behind would be a major change. I own a home here where I live with my long term girlfriend. At the same time, I cannot live with the feeling of abandoning my parents at a time where their health is failing. The medical uncertainty isn’t helping. 

Thank you. 

  • Hi there , welcome to the forum , I’m so sorry you have found yourself here and your mums condition … I’m only just at the start of my diagnosis so can’t really help re your questions re treatment although I’m sure someone on here will be along shortly … what I can say is that I nursed my own mum through lung cancer 4 years ago , she was in her 80’s then . I gave up work and as I already live close by I was there every day supporting her and my dad …it was such hard work and emotionally exhausting but what I did do was ask my mum what support she wanted rather than just give it , what she wanted was to maintain some level of independence and privacy just with my dad. It worked quite well , nurses went in each day to assist with hygiene etc so that she wasn’t embarrassed by her daughter doing all that . Home helps organised her shopping cleaning etc …and I concentrated on getting her to appointments and dealing with “ emergencies “  it was a good balance in the end but still tiring emotionally…. I would ask your mum what she needs and see how she feels … she’s your mum ,she won’t want to overburden you or give up your life for her care  and she can still want her independence despite the cancer and your dad will still want to be her main carer I would guess …. As children we want to take control, help in any way we can , but you can do that by making sure you manage it around their independence for as long as possible … hope this helps Elly  x

  • Hi Elly,

    thank you for your message. At the moment I travel back and forth every week and stay there for a week to ensure all is going well and also to meet her doctors and be her advocate of sorts. My mom is very much a people pleaser and she would want me to have my own life. At the same time, she has struggled with the diagnosis process, which I see you are currently going through as well. Indeed, it started with a mass visible on a CT scan and the next step was the PET scan which confirms malignancy. To further confirm this, there is usually a biopsy, which also confirms the type of cancerous cells. If there are no other symptoms then possibly the mass showing on the CT could be something else, but it there are other symptoms then the image points to cancer in most cases, so we were told. The hardest part for my mom was the rollercoaster process which was not handled very well. She got the PET Scan result the day of her PET scan via a phone call to my dad who did not fully understand the detail and therefore mistakenly told her she had metastatic cancer. The days that followed were absolutely awful for her emotionally speaking. She couldn’t sleep even with pills.  A few days later my mom went to meet her pulmonologist and he reassured by saying it hadn’t spread and whatever the final diagnosis, “it isn’t a death sentence and we always have something for it”. This reassured her enough to lift her spirits. Not metastatic cancer then, just a cancerous mass in right lower lobe. Forward a few days and the conscious biopsy fails and she is scheduled for one under sedation. For reasons we still don’t understand, she receives a letter confirming the (failed) biopsy has no cancerous cells and believes she is cancer free (of course, FBD PET Scan had already confirmed malignancy, but the lab report was all the same confusing and shouldn’t have been released by the hospital lab without clear explanation).  But that lab report letter was useless since the biopsy was not successful. After an hour of happiness, a call came from the GP to tell her to ignore the lab report from the failed biopsy and to wait for that of the second biopsy, under sedation. The next day, the GP called to confirm the diagnosis as cancer. So again a rollercoaster, veering from cancer free to cancer, based on miscommunication. I spent most of these days scrambling for psychological support for her, whilst calling doctors for clarity. So I know that the diagnosis can be a real ordeal,  but the medical establishment appear to regard this as the norm and part of the disorienting process that is diagnosis. Once the verdict is out, there are still many days of up and down, sadness and grief. But once treatment is underway, there is a fighting chance to stave off the illness. I wouldn’t wish the diagnosis process on my worst enemy.  At the same time, from what I have learnt is that LSLC is quite treatable as long as it hasn’t spread, but that SCLC is a “rare and untreatable disease” for which treatment hasn’t innovated for decades whereas for LSLC there is something new each week. So I believe you should push for clarity from your doctors and remain optimistic and strong throughout the process. Yes, it is living hell but it brings you one step closer to the treatment you need. Also I would eat well so that you’re strong prior to commencing treatment. Stay strong. 

    Kind regards, Patrick.  

  • Hi Patrick that sounds like a nightmare , your poor mum , my diagnostic pathway has been less fraught but still such a emotionally charged no man’s land of tests … I’ve had conscious sedation biopsy and petscan and I now await confirmation of my right lung tumour and sny treatment plan …. In terms of sclc , there are members managing that too on here so I’m sure they will contribute to this post when they can . Did you know that macmillan have a help line too which I have found very helpful at times when it’s all too much , as do the Roy castle web site Both of those have lots of info on all types of cancer , it might help to have a look …. Mostly I’m so sorry you’re having this experience with your mum , the time between initial diagnosis and confirmation and full diagnosis treatment plan is a living nightmare …. 

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    Hi Patrick

    So very sorry that you have cause to be on here.

    I had the same diagnosis back in August 2011.  I was also given months to live without treatment.

    I too had the chemoradiation treatment.  The reason why the chemo is initially given first is that SCLC often responds well to the chemo and the tumour often shrinks before the radiation part of the treatment is started. My radiation treatment started on the day of the 2nd cycle of chemo,

    There is a lot you could do remotely to take some of the burden off your Dad; for example, with their verbal input, you could do a on-line weekly food shop to be delivered at a time convenient for them. At times like this, never underestimate the benefit of ready meals; they have improved tremendously over recent years. The microwavable ones were a godsend for me when I was not up to cooking from scratch and my appetite made surprise re-appearances!

    You do need to respect their wishes to live as normally as possible. Normality was the main thing I both craved and sought during my treatment.

    As for the SCLC, 'limited', this is by far the best diagnosis as it means the SCLC hasn't spread to other areas such as the liver and brain. Ignore the survival rate sites as this information is based over the previous 10 years ending two years ago.So some of that data is at least 12 years old! The data does not take into account the many updates to existing treatments to make them kinder nor the new treatments that have been approved during that period.

    I hope this helps a little bit.

    Kegsy x

    "If you are going through hell, keep going" ; Sir Winston Churchill
    " Cancer may take my life; however it will not become my life" Kegsy August 2011
  • Hi Kegsy,

    Thank you for your message. The reason for delaying the radiation treatment until after one or two cycles of chemo makes perfect sense. I am happy to hear you beat SCLC which I read is not a forgiving disease. I also read that one in four patients with limited SCLC disease are cured. I hope and pray that my mom belongs to that category. They advertise to smokers that cancer kills, but there is not enough information out there conveying the message that not all cancers are equal or that you can live a perfectly healthy, smoking life for 45 years before, suddenly, it hits you. It is difficult to accept that with all the advances in science and investment in research, there isn't a cure or at least something that keeps the disease at bay indefinitely ... for a long time ... for years. At some level I find it baffling that cigarettes are not simply outlawed until there exists a better cure, or that there is annual lung screening for all smokers. Thank you also for the point about the data being outdated. It would be good if there existed a centralised forum where cancer sufferers of all kinds could read up on all the latest treatments and trials. It would give them hope, as did your message give me.

    As for supporting my parents, in their country it is possible for someone to come to their house and cook the meals they like (within limits) and there also exist various catering services that deliver warm meals to their door. My mom lost her appetite for a while (undoubtedly a contributing factor in her weightloss, which was the main if not sole sign of her illness). For now, they are continuing to live as they did before, but I have lined every type of assistance / support should they need it. I am hopeful that treatment will rekindle my mom's appetite as did yours. 

    Thanks again and take care.

    Kind regards,

    Patrick.

    "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani? / My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" (Psalm 22)

  • Hi Patrick, Sorry to hear about your Mum.  And all your questions are valid, we went through that with my Mum.  Mum has SCLC Extensive, spread to Lymph, liver and spine but Kegsy is right, if there is any good SCLC she has the good one.  SCLC responds so well to Chemo , so much so, my Mum was given 6 weeks to live without treatment but we are here 16 months on.  It was Kegsy who gave me hope, when I thought there was none.

    Like your Mum, mine got Chemo first and then the Radiation, She got 6 Chemo and 6 Radiotherapy last year and it shrunk it very well.  Just ensure she feeds herself well and to take rest when required.

    It is a dreadful time for you too -being so far away, but they will cope, more than you initially think.  Mum was a powerhouse going through all this.

    I hope all goes well.

    Keep us posted.

    Love T xx

  • Hi Toppy,

    Thank you and I am encouraging my parents to also join a support group, online forum or call a helpline (to the extent available where they live). Whilst the treatment itself is going well, my mum is increasingly becoming a recluse, according to my dad. She won't leave the house or even sit in the garden, she mostly watches Netflix, which I think is fine. She dreads her next round of chemo starting Tuesday. She seems to keep herself composed but is nervous all the time, despite treatment being underway and side effects currently minimal (touch would it stays this way). Every few days my dad will have a meltdown saying he cannot handle it anymore. I understand he is just venting but it is distressing as he goes on about 'not being able to do it anymore' - yet she is not even requiring any care besides emotional. He thus drinks a lot at age 75. He believes my mum does not have the ability to bounce back from all that is going on. He says she says she goes to bed early saying she hopes she never wakes up etc, and that when she has a big dip, usually in the evenings, she smokes again and drinks too much. It is all very grim despite there being some possible positive outcomes. So I think I need to find them a care worker or social assistant who visits them daily even just to chat, at times when I cannot be there in person. Curious if anyone has experience with organising this type of 'emotional nursing'.

    I am glad to hear your mom is beating extensive SCLC. I guess that for each day she beats it, chances increase she will continue beating it. I wish her and you the best.

    Wednesday we head back home for a few days, to keep our finger on the pulse during this dire period.

    Cheers,

    Patrick.

  • Hi Patrick, She has all the normal feelings for her and this will be her way of dealing with it.  In current climate, (Covid), she maybe better being a recluse as they can't get any infection during treatment as this could knock her back and stop treatment for a short time.  Your Dad, he can't cope unfortunately, he's venting out loud but to he honest he is scared, he is scared that he is going to lose your Mum and he's scared for himself that he is going to be left on his own.  Emotions will be high with all 3 of you.  It's a horrible place to be in.

    Mum is 78yrs and was working up until day of diagnosis.

    Going into My Mums house the grim reaper attaches itself as soon as you enter and it's hard to shake off when you leave but you have to for your own sanity. 

    My Mum's Chemo stopped working this year and they tried her on CAV for two rounds but it was far too painful, so she stopped it 2 weeks ago, it is now a waiting game.  Please note, this may not be the case for you, as Kegsy said he is 5yrs and counting.

    Have read at my bio, I have given timelines to see if it can help someone else going through what Mum has gone through.

    Just remember our parents are resilient.

    Take Care T xx

  • Hi Patrick

    Toppy is right; your parents are both reacting to the cancer diagnosis in the only way they each know to. Drinking and smoking is not ideal but attempts to stop this could raise their stress levels even more.  Sometimes you just have to take a step back and let them get on with it in their own way.

    It is 11 years since my diagnosis/start of the treatment plan.  I clearly remember feeling that I had to deal with it in my own way; which turned out to be sheer bloody-minded stubbornness! This didn't always go down well with my brother, who is a different character to me but who was only being protective of his younger sister.  

    So my advice is let them each deal with it in their own ways, but continue to be supportive, even if at times you have to bite your tongue.

    I wish the best possible outcomes for your Mum.

    Kegsy x

    "If you are going through hell, keep going" ; Sir Winston Churchill
    " Cancer may take my life; however it will not become my life" Kegsy August 2011
  • Kegsy I would love to know what sheer bloody minded stubbornness looks like and could you send me some ? Off to my results meeting now x