Does having a cancer diagnosis bring you and your loved one closer?

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Hi there, this is the first time that I have made a post or comment on this blog. I do however read a lot of the discussions and have found them to be really helpful. I am needing some much needed advice and help please. In dec 2020 I was diagnosed with invasive ductal breast cancer Er+ve/Pr+ve, spread to 2 lymph nodes and lymph-vascular invasion also, I was 49. I had found the lump 3 weeks after starting HRT after a hysterectomy 2019. Got the operation, then chemo then radiotherapy and started on Letrazole. Since being on Letrazole I have encountered quite a lot of side effects. I have tried so hard to  get on with it but eventually the side effects made it so intolerable that I had to stop it 6 weeks ago. Side effects - stiff ankles, knees and hips, painful knuckle in fingers. Vaginal dryness. Dry eye, blepharitis etc, ended up with ulcer on eye and then told I have cataracts which all of these due to tetrazole. I now take eye drops and do daily eyecare. But after an episode with my eye I discovered that my blood pressure was really high, this is also a side effect of the tablet. After realising my GP wasn't going to address the high bp, I stopped the tablet and contacted breast cancer team. I had a telephone consultation arranged for 3weeks after this and was advised to start on Tamoxifen. The vaginal dryness has been an issue which has got worse over the past year and since the past year I have been in consultation with GP and gynaecology and also cancer team with regards this. It isn't just dryness but also scar tissue that is causing extreme pain and bleeding at entrance (sorry for tmi). Each of them giving me their advice. I have tried every non hormonal moisturisers advised, lots of lubricants. I even have instillagel local anaesthetic gel to use as its now to painful to have sex without it. So as you can imagine, me and hubby haven't exactly been having a very good sex life. My husband is quite a quiet person, he isn't lovey dovey and during sex is the only time I feel a closeness to him. And because he knows I am in pain, he is reluctant to initiate sex. Therefore we both have got ourselves into a bit of a rut over the past 6 months. My husband is my first and only love and he has been amazing throughout this journey. He has known how hard I have been trying to see specialists, try different moisturisers etc. using instillagel. He also knows that I am working hard researching how safe it would be for me to use ovestin cream and ultimately resume our sex lives again. Over the past 6 months I have noticed a change in him. He doesn't seem to be the same lovely easy to get along with man. He was never crude or disrespectful of women. He is very snappy and argumentative with me and it is like he is trying to start an argument. I have spoke to him numerous times, asking him what is wrong, have I done something, and reiterating to him that Im trying my hardest. We have found ourselves unable to have a successful evening out for dinner etc as it always seems to end up in an argument or me noticing him learing too long at a woman and him saying something when he's looking at the couple -  "he's punching eh", I am sitting right there, across the table from him at dinner and he can't even compliment me on how I look but he has time time and interest to comment on other people. So therefore that ruins that outing and we go home not talking and Im feeling even worse about my body image/wound and short hair. I have been noticing how protective he is of his phone, and if I ask him for a loan of it for instance, then he's hanging over the top of me to get it back. When I walk into a room where he is I can quickly hear the home screen on the phone closing. I don't have social media but hubby and sons do and they keep me unto date with anything they think I need to know. Anyway about 4 weeks ago I went onto my hubby's facebook page and he was being inundated with "suggested for you" pages which were of very scantily clad sexy women. There were too many for this to be random. I asked him about it and he said its just something that's been happening but it was nothing to do with him. But I wasn't convinced and I ended up looking to see if I could see anything in the activity, which I didn't even know you could do. I was shocked to see that he had been liking women's raunchy video's. And also that he had been looking at these facebook reels, one after another for the past 6 months. I didn't even know this was possible on facebook, I have been so naive and trusting, I never thought that he would be watching this especially at this time and what we have been through. The video reels are short, all of similar content, young women wearing nearly nothing, dancing provocatively or pretending that they are going to bare all to tease the viewer. To think that my husband has been looking at these women with a hope of seeing more of that person breaks my heart. One of the most upsetting things for me is that the vast majority are touching their "perfect" breasts and gyrating up and down bouncing them up and down. Knowing that I feel self conscious about my scar and my image now, I find this so so hurtful. Every couple are entitled to watch and do whatever floats their boat but this hasn't been what me and my husband have done in the past. I feel that he has been keeping a secrets from me. He says he's sorry but the lack of sex has been difficult and he thinks that they are harmless. I certainly don't think they are harmless. Some may feel that I am over exaggerating but I now feel that my marriage has had a hand grenade placed under it. I am crazy in love with him but the bond and trust that I had with him has imploded. I am desperately trying to work out all of this, wondering why didn't he come to me and say " Im struggling, I need a cuddle etc" of course I would have done anything to avoid what has happened and the hurt that has been caused. So I thought that when I got my diagnosis that it would have brought us closer together but it seems to have pushed us both apart. Im devastated as I truly know that in my heart, whatever happens in the future, I will never forget this. Intimacy would never be the same as I am going to see these women in my mind thinking that is what my husband really desires, not me. I had a consultation with a menopause specialist that Macmillan had advised me to do, they have gave me some information on moisturisers etc and also suggested that overton cream would be safe now as on taxmoifen, ironic thing is that I now think that its now to late. Has anyone had any similar experiences after the diagnosis that would help me make sense of this? Many thanks S

  • My heart goes out to you  . What a devastatingly upsetting situation for both of you.I hope you can communicate better and improve the situation, even though the hurt may never go away. Men never talk the way we do unfortunately. 
    It is safe to use local vaginal oestrogen cream after breast cancer.I had the blessing of both surgeon and oncologist, and use it twice weekly. I also had a very good idea from a forum member, can’t remember her name , sorry, but she recommended using Lubido, available from Amazon.Brilliant lubricant. As for the painful scar tissue, your gynae should be able to help with that. I do hope you get some help to deal with this. Sending hugs, xxx

    Onwards and flatwards (don't do hills) and keep walking if you can!

  • Sounds as if you and your husband are struggling with things, each in your own way rather than together. Do you think some counselling, individually or together would help you both? 

  • Hi there seaspirit44, thanks so much for you kind words of wisdom. My husband isn't a talker and just listens to me yapping but I do know he is devastated at what this has done to us. Thank you for recommending lubido too, that's one that I haven't heard of. The gynaecologist said that I could get an operation to remove the scar tissue but there would be no guarantees it would help as I could end up with more scar tissue due to a new wound. I have only changed over to tamoxifen on tuesday so once I am ready then I will give the ovestin cream a go. Although right now my heart isn't in it. Thanks again, very much appreciated xxx

  • Hi CarrieDecember, Many thanks for taking time to offer me your support and advice. Yes you are spot on, I totally agree with doing it on our own, I am very independent and don't like asking for help. Counselling is something I would try but I feel my husband wouldn't want to open up to someone else as I find it hard getting him to talk to me.  But maybe he would find it easier talking to a counsellor as he wouldn't know them. I will look into counsellors in my area and see what help there is available. I would do anything to help us, many thanks again xxx

  • I found that my husband was watching certain 'videos' I actually know before he told me due to the 'suggestion's' that were on google. He only told me as we'd had a scam email demanding money or a certain video would be shown if he didn't pay up! I had a single mastectomy and lost my nipple. I had a temporary implant and hoping for the final reconstruction later on this year. I haven't shown my husband and honestly not planning on it. I can't even look at them myself so I sort of understood the need for him to do this although he said it's because he didn't want to 'bother' me while I was on treatment but who knows? I too know that intimacy will never be the same and it does make me sad although he reassures me that the new me doesn't make any difference. Breast cancer is the gift that keeps on giving and take all of that makes you feel a women with it!

    Try not to be too hard on yourself x

  • Hello LisaJD, thanks for taking the time to read my post and to reply. It couldn't have been easy for you to type that as I know I was in tears whilst typing mine. And they both sound very similar. I think there must be quite a few other people in a similar situation as these "videos" seem so easy to access, I had no idea about the scam you have mentioned either. I do feel nieve at times. I do hope that you feel bit better about things in time. And I wish you all the very best with your reconstruction, sending you my very best xxx

  • Hi Shiz71

    It's reassuring to know that  we aren't the only ones (And probably a lot more) and thank you for being brave with your post. I haven't spoken to anyone about it until now, so thank you!

    We  have been married for nearly 30 years and I really don't blame him for looking, it just makes me sad (I can imagine if it was the other way round, I think it would end in divorce) !!

    Hope you feel better about things soon too xx

  • We are struggling too. I can only describe married intimacy as a form of torture for me. An internal chinese burn does not even come close to it. I really feel for my long suffering husband who is so kind and caring. I have tried all the moisturisers, including the YES ones, but it is still so sore. I think we will have to find other ways other than the classic one to keep the married side of life alive. It is tricky to consider sex and relationship therapy, but perhaps they can help suggest alternative ways to keep your marriage alive.

  • Hi LisaJD, im a very private person and dont want to tell any of my family whats been going on and thats why i reached out to this forum. Im positive that others are going through the same, and i felt like i was releasing some pressure from me when i wrote my post. Im glad that you have had the courage to speak about it too. I too have been with my husband for a lifetime, since i was 15 and married 32yrs. Its like we have used up all our strength to tackle beating cancer and now we have to find more strength to tackle this. Take care xxx

  • Hi Zephyr, i totally feel your pain. Have you been seem by a gynaecologist or menopause specialist yet? My appointment with menopause specialist said to try massaging coconut oil onto the area of scar tissue to try to soften it, with me its just inside (sorry for tmi). And to use Yes Ob oil on me and Yes WB water based on husband. But she reassured me that i would be able to use Ovestin cream, safely. She said that being on tamoxifen would allow me to take the cream as thats whats needed to help vaginally. My oncologist and gyn are happy for me to take it, its just my brain i need to convince. I am glad to hear that your hubby is kind and caring, please keep communicating with him, take care xxx