BCG or bladder removal

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I am sorry I am posting again. I have had my first BCG which went okay. However, somewhere on this site someone referred to the NICE guidelines for high grade non muscle invasive ladder cancer which I read. This says a second TURBT procedure should be carried out six weeks after the first. I have only had one TURBT on the 19th of October and commenced on BCG a few days ago. I am trying to calm my increasing anxiety but reading these nice guidelines. I don’t think that I was given any information about risk of progression. The consultant just said bladder removal was a serious surgery with risks and then went on to talk fully about BCG. I then spoke to the specialist nurses and asked why I wasn’t really offered bladder removal and she said it would be overkill. However, this seems to be Contrary to what the nice guidelines say? I’ve copied these below. I feel as though I haven’t really been able to make a fully informed decision as the decision almost seems to have been made for me. I cannot understand why it is overkill to seek bladder  removal When the NICE guidelines say it should be offered.  I have not been given any figures for success rate for BCG either. I’m starting to think if the cancer doesn’t get me, the anxiety will kill me. I don’t want to drive my specialist nurse mad with these queries, but if there is such a risk of progression, I am wondering whether to seek a second opinion. My tumour was small / under 1cm but is G3pTa with squamous differentiation urethral plus CIS.  

NICE guidelines

High-risk non-muscle-invasive bladder cancer

1.3.5

If the first TURBT shows high‑risk non‑muscle‑invasive bladder cancer, offer another TURBT as soon as possible and no later than 6 weeks after the first resection.

  • Thank you. I’ve sent you a connection request. You are right, should not name someone on the forum.

  • I have read 70% still clear after first 6 instillations, but only 30% long term cure. My consultant told me about 50% end up having surgery eventually (possibly with chemo too, or chemo-radiotherapy instead if had become muscle invasive). CIS on its own, or combined with TCC is usually considered more risky.

  • Jessie it’s a long read, and it’s European guidance, but you might find this useful: uroweb.org/.../disease-management

  • Hello Jessie15, we can sometimes be overwhelmed by  Consultations that appear rushed and cold. I was told more than 6years ago that I would have my bladder removed and moreover it was a dangerous procedure for someone of my age. I was 68 years old then. It was only the intervention of my CNS who explained fully my diagnosis and the alternatives to bladder surgery I felt in control. I quickly met a Consultant Oncologist who explained in detail the alternatives and began my Journey of Chemotherapy and then Radiotherapy. The two consultants were like chalk and cheese. Stick with it and follow your roue to hopefully health and wellbeing. Garviv

    Garviv

  • Thank you for this. I started off feeling quite positive and do not want to now feel overwhelmed with negativity so this is helpful. Thank you

  • Ask to speak to the macmillan nurse that deals with this. She reassured me and gave me all the info etc. I needed,I started the BCGtreatment on Monday and so far so good. As they hopefully removed my tumour at an early stage the prognosis is good .The nurse at the hospital was also able to answer all my concerns and although I am still concerned I now feel much more positive about a good outcome come. This forum is also helping on my journey. Elaine