Pancaking with colostomy

Thanks Ian

My Dad does use the convex bags but yeah it’s a colostomy so he doesn’t use the drainable bags but yeah I will tell him about blowing in to them first. Thanks 

Hi Danni,

I just find drainable more convenient as I don't have to change them several times a day and easier to get rid of gas. 

Yes I usually shower without the colostomy bag but always keep the urostomy bag on whilst showering as I am petrified of getting a UTI. I don't have any problems with the bags I use ( Holister) so long as I properly dry the area around the stoma with medical dry wipes. The Holister bags have an extra waterproof seal around the edges which helps them stay on really firmly. I really struggled with the previous Salts bags as they did not have the extra seal around the outside edges.

Glad to hear your dad is doing well.

GM

Hi Guitarman 

Thanks for your reply. Ahh so you keep your urosomy bag on while showering. I didn’t know that taking it off may cause an infection.. don’t want them my Dad has had a few of them since his op and they aren’t nice so thanks for that info. 

I think my Dad might have a sample of the holister bag but don’t think it’s the drainable one. Shame they don’t  all come with the extra seal around edges. Thanks again. 

L

I am another advocate for drainable bags for colostomates. I prefer emptying to changing especially when out.  Also much easier as I  have a lot of wind sometimes.  However I realise everyone is very different and has to find what is best for them.

Pancaking is a problem for me and I can not find a solution that works 100%.  Hope you have better luck.

Hi Astlnd 

yes pancaking is a right pain and yes maybe I will have to get my Dad to try to drainable bags but he just likes the thought of a fresh bag on every time. Hope you find a solution for pancaking also.  

I'm sorry that you are also experiencing pancaking and further to my original response to  with information on pancaking which is a real pain to colostomates, I am sure that you know about these products but there might be no harm in listing them again if not for you but for Danni to help her dad and I am sure other members who could be suffering in silence.

When using a lubricating gel which should be inserted into the top of pouch CARE SHOULD BE EXERCISED to ensure that none of the gel comes in contact with the adhesive on the  flange  otherwise you may have adhesion problems.

After applying the gel into the top of the pouch you should gently spread the gel downwards to lubricate the insides all the way down

From Respond 

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Description

Product Description

Dual action OstoZYME lubricates the inside of the pouch and actively destroys any odour at source. OstoZYME contains active odour neutralisers, effectively eliminating any embarrassing smells. OstoZYME is easy to use, is water based and does not stain. It kills odour in the pouch, prevents ‘pancaking’, reduces static, aids pouch empytying and reduces noise.

Choose from the specially designed sachets that help prevent spillage, or from the multi pump system that delivers 8ml each time.

PRODUCT CODE TCB3 (30 sachets)

PRODUCT CODE TCB6 (300ml bottle)

If you live in the UK, this product is available on prescription from your GP practice

Sample available via website

Tip - opt for sachets rather than bottle as with the bottle you can waste a lot

FROM HOLLISTER 

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Customer Services freephone: 0800 521377

Tel: +44 1189 895000

Fax: +44 1189 775881

Email: samples.uk@hollister.com

Web: www.hollister.co.uk

Adapt Lubricating Deodorant

Hollister Incorporated Adapt lubricating deodorant front 78501

This pouch lubricant and odour neutraliser helps provide a level of confidence and security. Lubrication eases emptying and helps prevent pouch static and sticking. The deodorant (not a perfume or masking agent) neutralises the odour. For use with drainable or closed pouches. Use with each pouch change or after pouch is emptied.

Features Colourless Odourless

Available in bottle or packet

Request Free Sample via web site

Stock Number 78500   

Description 236 ml (8 oz) bottle 

Box of 1 bottle

Request Free Sample via web site

Stock Number 78501   

Description 8ml (0.27 oz) packet

Box of 50 sachets

Request Free Sample via web site

From. COLOPLAST 

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Brava® Lubricating Deodorant

Multi-lubricating effect

Odour from output or output gathering around the stoma is a challenge for many ostomates.

Specifically designed to be used inside the bag, Brava Lubricating Deodorant helps to mask odour when changing or emptying the stoma bag, whilst the lubricating effect makes it easier for output to go to the bottom of the bag.

This can help reduce pancaking of the stoma bag. The Brava Lubricating Deodorant is available in bottle or sachet form.

Product name Brava® Lubricating Deodorant (Bottle)

Item number 12061

1 BOTTLE  240 ml

Product name Brava® Lubricating Deodorant (Sachets)

Item number 12060

1 BOX of 20 (7.5 ml)

I have included in the above links to web sites and email addresses 

2 Part pouches could be an alternative to 1 part as you don't have to remove the wafer each time you have to change the bag

Another way to go if suffering from pancaking is to try out pouches from different manufacturers as this make a difference to pancaking, either speak to your stoma nurse, your supplier or ask all pouch manufacturers for samples. Quite happy to send over a list and links to manufacturers if required.

This is an American product which is used with 2 part closed pouches

This maybe of interest but as far as I can see they are not on GP prescription and I can only find them on sale on Ebay 

Colo-Majic Liners® are patented and offer unique design features making them easy to use with any of the major ostomy product manufacturers’ two piece ostomy systems.

Some of the major benefits of using Colo-Majic Liners® include:

The liners are flushable.

Colo-Majic Liners® are flushable. When you’re ready to empty your pouch, you simply remove the liner, deposit it into a toilet and flush it away. There is no messy clean-up, no water is needed and the time taken to accomplish the change is very quick. Once the used liner is disposed of, you simply insert a new liner into the same pouch and reapply it to the flange. Please note: like many personal hygiene products, Colo-Majic Liners® should not be flushed in septic systems.

Colo-Majic Liners® come in two sizes just right for you.

Most ostomy product manufacturers offer multiple ring sizes for their ostomy products. Different people with different sized stomas need different size flange ring seals. Because of the unique flexible nature of our liners, we’re able to make two sizes available for use with the various manufacturers’ offerings:

1. Regular size: works best with flange/pouch opening diameters of 1 3/4 inch or less (45mm)
2. Large size: works best with flange/pouch opening diameters of 2 1/4 inch (57mm) and 2 3/4 inch (70mm)

The unique patented design of the Colo-Majic Liners® allow users to poke air holes, if necessary, into the shoulders of the liners to expel gas. When used with a filtered pouch, Colo-Majic Liners® are very effective in controlling gas and the sometimes noticeable bulging that many ostomy patients deal with.

I hope that this is of interest to you all, as it appears to be a problem that many are living with we should start a wide reaching discussion and attempt to find solutions that would help all.

Can we all keep in touch on this and have your say on pancaking.

If replying to this it would be helpful to know 

If Colostomate or Ileostomate.

One or 2 part system

Closed or drainable

Any other information that would be helpful to the discussion.

Always here to advise and help

Ian

For people having an ileostomy or colostomy and living with a stoma we support each other and discuss things like upper and lower bowel contents, bag recommendations, managing a stoma and products and foods to avoid.