Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



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    Hi Emmab,

    Sorry to hear about your dad. Welcome to this site, you will get all the support that you need on here. Grief is a tricky thing and will get you when you least expect it. You lost your dad four months ago and that is still a very short time.

    If your partner or flatmate haven't lost someone close to them they will not understand the emotions that you are going through.

    Have you tried counselling I am sure that this will help you too.

    I really feel for you hun..

    Keep posting on here....

    lots of love and hugs Big Hug

    Fran
    xx





  • Emma, I echo what Fran has said, grief is such a personal emotion and will take time and work to get through.....counselling would be a great help if you can access some, you sound as though it is the right time for you now, sometimes it can be started too early and can upset the whole applecart......keep posting, too, you will find good support here....love and hugs to you.....

    Moomy

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    Hi Emma.

    Yes you've posted in the right place. I read some of the other threads and I'm sure that anybody can post on any of them and receive a welcoming, friendly and sympathetic response.
    Im so sorry that you've lost your dear dad to this dreadful illness but I'm sure that your dad (whereever he is) is still looking after you, and has guided you to this site where you will find good friend, many of which have gone through (or who are going through) the same terrible loss as you.
    I have lost a few people who were close to me and sometimes, even after many years, I still, suddenly, and for no apparrent reason, get a wave of overwelming grieve sweep over me. I dont think it ever goes away, you just learn how to deal with it. I sometime go somewhere where nobody can hear or see me, and I bawl and cry me eyes out. I then wipe them and go back into the world and put a smile on my face. I'm not saying that this is what you should do as Im not qualified to give advice - but it sure helps me!

    A good G&T helps too (sorry, not sure if I should have said that) lol.

    Keep in touch.
    Big Hug
    From Christine.

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    Hello,

    Thank you so much for leaving messages for me, Fran, Moomy and Christene. And for the hugs. It's made me feel a ray of light has come through the clouds. I had no idea there was such a wonderful support network on here. And after the first time feeling brave enough to use it today, I would really like to access it more and talk. Today has been the first day I have approached looking for some counselling, and as you mentioned Moomy, I think it is the right time for me now. I was actually shocked at how normal I felt initially over the first couple of months, and got so frustrated with my poor mum at how she wasn't coping which I feel so ashamed for now. And now it seems my body is saying, ok, here you are, this is going to hurt. But as you said, in waves. I want more in the world than anything else to be able to see my dad again, or for him and everyone else that has had to suffer with cancer to be here still, or to be well. It all feels like such a haze still. He was only 55, and there was so much I assumed I still had to share with him, it is agonizing. I truly hope it is as you say Christene, that he guided me to here, or that he is with me still. I was starting to feel like I would or could never cope with it, thank you so much for helping me to get through the day a little easier. Emma x

  • Emma, you might well have access to counselling via your GP, some of the bigger practices have some appointments, worth a try.....all the best for that.....

    By the way, you might find that the first person you see, doesn't tick the boxes, so if you don't feel right, ask to speak to another, they all know that sometimes it doesn't work out right, and are happy for you to ask to see someone else, even if you feel bad about it.....

    Moomy

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    Hi Everyone
    Just heard from Liz,as you are probably aware she is having a rough time of it at the moment in and out of ITU.She is back on the ward now waiting to get the results of her mamagram.She asked me to send you her love and I told her that you had left messages on here for her which was pleased about.She also asked after daz and andrew.As far as coming out of hospital she is not sure when but she hopes it will be soon.Yogi
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    hi yogi,
    thanks for letting us know about liz, i do keep sending her texts but she
    doesnt always receive them, can you give her my love and tell her i havent
    forgotten her, hope you are ok xxxxxxxxxx
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    hi to Emma B...
    & everyone..
    Just to tell you that I have requested you as a friend...your story was something I could relate to very well having also lost my dad to lung cancer after 12 weeks from his diagnosis... and my grief sometimes comes in the same way as yours..
    (((((hugs)))))) Lisa xxxx
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    morning everyone .

    my song for 3pm today ....for andrew , daz and liz ....is

    GENESIS 'FOLLOW YOU , FOLLOW ME '



    dance the crap out of cancer all of you and wish andrew , daz and liz a speedy recovery

    suexxxxxxxxxxx

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    morning sue, and everyone else,
    my song for today will be Bill Withers, Lean On Me, love and hugs especially
    to Andrew, Daz, and Liz, and everyone else who needs it
    dianne xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx