Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



  • FormerMember
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    Moomy,

    thanks, yes it was harder than I thought to start something and ask into the ether for help, I never thought I would do something like that at all but the experience has been wonderful for me and my spirits today, I don't feel so alone anymore!

    I think I will keep this one going as my own sort of diary page and try to keep myself sane along the way, I have noticed others doing a similar thing so it must work on some levels at least. many thanks for your reply's and maybe I will have something of interest to say and write for others to gain something from as well as helping me.

    Andrew
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    Hi Andrew.
    Just wanted to wish you well. I hope the radiotherapy give you relief from your symptoms.
    IChristine.
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    Oh Yer,

    And I also have no patients for elderly people who moan and groan about their old age aches and pains. Whenever I hear them complaining I just have to say, "Stop moaning and think yourself lucky that you are old enough for old age aches and pains". This usually stops them in their tracks, and they appologies.
    More Luv.
    Christine

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    Christine,

    thanks, we are definitely on the same wavelength here! I feel as I should cure everything before I leave this mortal coil now and sometimes think I can, then I wake up again. I have felt myself becoming more open to others problems and then part of me says "sod this, I have enough of my own", isn't that weird?

    I dream of having the where shall we go for hols thoughts but every time I get them another "cancery" thing crops up like travel insurance, travel, drugs/customs and the thoughts die slowly away, I am determined however to get some sort of holiday sorted somehow just to get away from home and these four walls.

    I wanted to turn into my own version of Victor Meldrew at some stage and maybe I will just let that happen a little earlier than planned (smirks quietly to himself at his friends faces). possibly it must be old and early for me, at least I will have the ability to moan for longer than others, that would be funny.

    I have to say though that the majority of people (in fact all of them) seem to be absolutely great at not letting these things get in their way and don’t fall into those traps admirably noted in your post. Yes I do think that we English are truly strange in our handling of emotions, it takes allot to break that stiff upper lip and straight back and that is to our eternal credit, we can handle it better than others, that is what I intend to do from now on, have the moan, get some backup and then get on with it.

    Many thanks for your thoughts and all the very best to you personally, I love people that make me smile, thanks.

    Andrew

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    hi, just been reading your posts, i lostmy husband in jan, he was only 55, and christine seeing
    your comment about elderly people thought i would share this with you, i was at bus stop the other day, sitting beside an elderly lady when another lady stopped to ask her how she was, the stuff she had wrong with her you wouldnt believe, all of a sudden the second lady said, i havent got time to listen to this, and walked off, the look on the elderly ladies face was priceless, she said to me thats the trouble with people today nobodys got time anymore, she said even my own children dont want to know, i wanted to shout at her that id just lost my husband and my children had been brilliant, but of course i didnt because im English so i just smiled. anyway sorry to butt in, take care
    dianne xx
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    hiya all
    To be honest i can trust my friends more than my family as i feel they only come to see my dad as he got terminal cancer and they gave him less than a year i know it sounds dull but its true but thats what i feel my friends are always there i can turn to but i found this site and every one been brill when im sad i write some thing i dont do it to get a response but i always do which i am great ful they find a time to read it
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    hi christine,
    dont blame you for having a lazy day, and you can scream and shout all you want, thats the good thing about this site, dont know where andrew went, i probably scared him away! thanks for best wishes days are not too bad but as soon as i go to bed everything goes round in my head, by the way my children are not children any more, my youngest is 22 and over 6ft tall, but i still embarass him by telling people hes my baby, take care
    dianne xx
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    hi denise,
    didnt mean to ignore you, truth is i am so slow on keyboard (just type with one finger) by the time i finish writing everyone is talking about something else, anyway hope you are ok.
    dianne xx
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    And I apologise to all the Old People if I offended them with my comments. I love them all (especially since I am one of them - to a 20 or 30 year old) lol.