Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



  • FormerMember
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    Good morning Andy there seems to be something in the water today for mammoth tomes and epistles and the like! Give us a break its' sunday!!

    No one sent you to coventry, Andy- you are big enough to get your self there under your own steam!! lol!

    Hahaha you missed an expression "Throw the baby out with the bath water" nope we hadn't done that one either hehehe.


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    Hello everyone, my name is Anne and I'm Andrew's sister. He's been trying to get me to do this for some time, but as a fully paid up techno-phobe, I've been somewhat resistant. However, I'm very grateful for all the support you're giving him through this.

    Thanks. Anne.
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    Hello Anne, welcome to your brothers thread! I am sorry we all meet under these circumstances, but we are a great bunch really!
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    OK Andy I will debate with you

    I believe that every action has a consequence, even the simplest ones such as drawing breath and getting out of bed so therefore if one accepts this premis as given then the greater actions also have geater consequences regardless of whether we are aware of them or not. the results remain constant.

    This I believe also translates into altruism and purity of actions. A genuine and altruistic action needs anonimity for the purity to remain thus a publication of actions removes the first and replaces with the fundamental act with egotism and self gratification.

    My opinion.
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    Hi Juls,

    I need time to think before that one gets a reply ands my Sis is ready for lunch so I will cogitate and giive it a shot after lunch if thats ok with you - lol -

    See you later,

    Andrew
    xx
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    Hi Juls,

    this probably is not going to much of a debate then because I agree with your statements.

    We had been discussing whether or not it was ever possible to do an completely unselfish act and for anyone else but you (and them) to know.

    So, as your second paragraph states very eloquently, it does not seem to be possible for anyone else to know it because it then becomes a selfish one for whatever reason was chosen to let another person know about the act performed!

    The act itself is, therefore, is possible but no-one can ever know about it. The act can be unselfish in its origin, but any slight feelings of virtuousness would negate some of the selflesness gained by completion of the act.

    Does that make any sense at all?

    Andrew
    xx

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    makes sense to me andrew !!!!!, a person can do an unselfish act and if as you say if there is no 'postmortem' afterwards it remains unselfish ..............i guess what im trying to say is , that an act can be 'giving' and remain that way because of a persons feelings and actions.
    you would have to get in a persons head to truly see what they think ,feel .

    anyway i have come to the conclusion that to give whatever the motive has a result of helping the donor and the receiver of an action , so guess everyone benefits in the end .


    on a personal level i am doing a lot of 'giving ' and not recieving , but continue to give as i wont give up !!!( andrew you know what im talking about)
    and now my brain hurts andrew !!!!!

    suexxxxxxxxxxx


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    Sorry Sue,

    it was just me in the early hours saying out loud what was running theough my head. Sometimes I need to ask these questions out loud and get some form of response from others or they will just keep running in circles. A bit like when you can't get a tune out of your head no matter how hard you try!

    Have a good night at work tonight and remember - some days off are very close!

    You need no luck, you are good enough to do a great job without the need for anyone to wish you luck - but I will anyway.

    Good luck!

    Andrew
    xx
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    i actually enjoyed the philosophical discussion , its good to talk and stretch the old brain cells ..........bring it on !!!!!, or p/m me with something and we can continue this intellectual train of thought !!!!!

    thanks for the good wishes mate , much appreciated

    suexxxxxxxxx

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    Andy couldn't have explained it better myself.

    The concept of altruism must be true in esscence to the slelfless giving act, an act the requires no acknowledgement nor more to the point even as you say personal satisfaction in the fulfillment of the action. Once personal pleasure and gratification become part of the process or to an extent the personal desire to acknowledge to transaction then egotism and self gratification reduce the gift to a simplistic level of give verses receive.