Hello (Apologies if this has been discussed before). Basically I’m Grade 3 3C1 recently diagnosed and 3 weeks post radical Hysto. They are keen to get started on the treatment. I went to see the Chemo Dr today and the plan is 6 Weeks Chemo (Paclitaxel and Carboplatin), 5 Weeks Radio on pelvic lymph’s and 1 week Bracheo. This all sounds rather standard from browsing through this excellent resourse. I have a couple of questions:
1. The Dr said that was the best combination of chemo drugs from last century's research (Has there not been any research / trials done with Chemo in the last 20 years for womb cancer?)
2. I’ve read a lot about Immuotherapy e.g Dostarlimbad - I didn’t really get a clear answer why these are not deployed sooner as they seem more effective.
I think that’s about it for now … but any links or tips on choices are most welcome
There have been trials I think with using immunotherapy with chemo together. But I don't think the combination chemo has changed very much from what I understand. It's all a bit of a minefield really. My oncologist did send me a link to a study years ago ill see if I've still got it.
Hello Rachart
I am so sorry you have this diagnosis and obviously you question every single thing, it's normal. Maybe the oncologist can explain this better for you but from my understanding and I'm not medically trained, is that the chemotherapy works immediately to kill cancer cells, the combination of Paclitaxel and Carboplatin is the standard treatment tried and tested, one drug stops cancer cells dividing and growing new cancer cells, the other also works the same way but also kills the DNA of the cells. Chemotherapy provide quicker results, because it directly attacks the cancer cells.
Immunotherapy works differently it can take longer to be effective and teaches healthy cells to look out for the cancer cells and destroy them.
I've read that some patients with advance endometrial cancer have both line of treatments together and it could be that you qualify? The FDA approved of combination use only in July last year, I believe The doctor also checks your MMR and p53 mutations etc status and if is suitable for you. Trust me the MDT meet and discuss Your plan with whatever is best or effective for you, they scrutinise everything, but please ask these questions at your next appointment so that you understand what is planned and why it's best in your situation.
Hope this helps....best wishes x
Hi Madesp,
It's all so confusing, I'm locally advanced but 3c2 and I've been told no more treatment needed after I finish chemo, just monitoring. Yet I read on here people similar stage to me having radiotherapy and even brachytherapy. I've got lots of questions for my consultant as I'm terrible - just nod and want to get out of there ha ha. Rachart, I was told more chemo for a reoccurrence and also I'll be eligible for immunotherapy but that's only if chemo stops working. Good luck and hope you're recovering well from surgery. I've found the chemo very manageable so fingers crossed for you x
Hi Rachart,
I did reply to you but in my reply to Madesp. See below, just so confusing as I'm 3c2 but told nothing after chemo, just monitoring. I'm not complaining, I'm desperate for a break but obviously not in detriment to my health. I'm going armed with questions to my next appointment which will be just before my 6th chemo. Hope you're getting on ok x
Hi Rachart
From my understanding and experience the treatment you are being offered is the standard first line of treatment. It's being used because it has a good track record for working and although as with all treatments there are side effects these can usually be well managed/tolerated. So the benefits outweigh the negatives.
The chemo combination is a standard one and it is basically trying to stop rapidly dividing cells by destroying them. Healthy cells (such as hair follicles etc) can recover but the cancerous ones do not. Its a systemic treatment so it affects the whole of your body so it is used where there are chances that the cancer could spread further afield. Although your cancer is locally advanced the chemo is trying to sort it in pelvic area but also trying to mop up any cells that may have got into the blood/lymphatic system or spread further afield.
External radiotherapy is aimed at destroying any cancerous cells in the pelvic area (including lymph nodes) and it does this by altering the DNA and stopping the fast division of cells. So its similar to chemo but works in a bit of a different way. So its trying to get rid of any cancer specifically in the pelvis before it gets a chance to go further afield,
Brachytherapy is used to treat the area local to the top of the vagina and where the cervix was. This can be an area where cancer can return.
So combined the three treatments are working on whole body, the pelvic area and the area where recurrence is most likely to begin with. So it pretty much covers it all and gives extra treatment in the local area.
With immunotherapy the effect is a bit different and from my understanding it is teaching the body to recognise the cancer cells and to use the immune system to deal with them. So it seems to be offered as a second line treatment as it can take longer to have an effect. So the chemo starts to work more quickly. There have been trials where some chemo and immunotherapy is used together but from what I know these are still at an earlier stage and they are used for advanced cancer and there are different criteria that need to be met before they are approved. Because of the way the treatment works the genetic factors will come into play. It is not suitable for everyone. With immunotherapy there can also be different side effects that can be challenging so its back to the positives vs negatives.
When I had my own discussions with my oncologist about treatments it was explained that the first line treatments are chosen as they are likely to be best tolerated with the best outcomes. Sometimes as well it is about the timing of treatment. Some treatments eg radiotherapy can only be given to the pelvis once so for some people it is best they are done earlier whereas for others its best to keep them banked in case of recurrence. It does seem to involve a lot of different factors. I asked what would happen if I had a recurrence and was told if it was small and local then surgery might be an option, if not then chemo. The chemo would likely be the same one as that had been effective before. If it wasn't then they would look at different chemo. Immunotherapy would be looked into only if the chemo stopped working.
Hope this helps. I wish you well with your treatment
Jane
Hi Hop5
I understand and get that you get worked up about your appointment then when you get there it's all information that we don't really take it in, if possible take somebody with you to listen. I took my daughter as she would understand better than my husband and she would think of questions to ask. I'm glad I did as when we relayed back the information given, I had missed bits that had been said by the consultant as I was thinking about the previous item discussed. I had my chemo as belt and braces approach in 2022, I've received excellent treatments and so grateful to the NHS.
Just thinking if they don't want to punish your body too much now and save other treatments available if you need them in the future? (Hopefully not)
I did read that a lady was similar grade and stage to you and she's had no recurrence since first line treatments, found info on cancer research site, if I find the item will copy and paste it for you on here.
Hopefully all goes well for you. Here's a screenshot of post from cancer research forum x
Hi Mad,
Thank you so much for this article. Initially one of my sisters and my husband came to the meetings with me. It's only been post op and meeting my chemo team that I insisted on going on my own, I was in a bit of denial. I finally feel ready to ask the questions that I really should know and will do at my 'what's next' meeting before my final chemo. I feel it's only now that the fog is clearing and I fully realise just what I've been through - I was definitely in fight or flight mode due to other factors. Funnily enough I actually feel stronger for allowing the feelings in. Thanks again x
Hi Hop5
Please also remember nothing is uniform, 10 people could have exactly the same Grade and Stage of cancer but these 10 people will be affected and respond differently to treatments and their outcomes won't all be the same, concentrate on yourself and don't read negative stuff.
I am glad you've come through and feel stronger for accepting and letting the feelings in. You've now empowered yourself to deal with whatever is thrown at you next, but we're all still here supporting each other, we are ALL amazing!
Do keep well and in touch xx
What a lovely post to wake up to. My CNS told me that re outcomes. We are all navigating this journey and this forum is invaluable knowing there's people who know exactly how we are all feeling. I will keep in touch and you too. Thanks so much. Have a great day xx
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