Dilemma

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Hi guys, just wanted some thoughts on a dilemma I’ve been presented with...

i had 4 rounds of FLOT chemo followed up last month with a total gastrectomy.  At every point the thought was that my stomach cancer was very early, based on multiple scans and a staging laparoscopy.   However the histology results following surgery showed that the cancer was actually pretty advanced....it had gone through the stomach wall, and out of approx 18 lymph nodes that were removed, 3 showed signs of cancer.  

I saw the consultant this week who feels that given the pre-op chemo had little to no effect, and considering the increased risks, there is no benefit to me having the planned post-op chemo.  He also said (in not so many words) that he thinks I’d probably not make it to the 50 month mark that is the median life expectancy for people who’ve had the same treatment(s).  

He did offset this with the whole thing that everybody is different, nothing is certain argument which I get and understand. Made a point of talking about people who had had very early tumours and just died and people with very advanced cancer who lived years.

The surgeon was happy they got everything but given the increased severity there’s probably still microscopic cancer cells lurking about somewhere...

Whilst I can see his point, My wife is 20 weeks pregnant and despite being told they feel more chemo is pretty worthless I feel like I owe it to her and our baby to go ahead with it anyway.....just in case.   

I KNOW they think there’s no benefit, but even knowing that I can’t shake the feeling that if I don’t do it, when something does come back, my first thought will be “why didn’t I take the chemo?”

My nurse specialist asked him separately what he thought as they’d be more straight (if that makes sense?) and he told her the same....that he saw no benefit to the post-op chemo given the pre-op did very little, and considering the risks.

But even the most tiny degree of potential benefit has to be worth it right?

its been stressed that there’s no right or wrong answer, that whatever I choose is the right thing, and the wife thinks the same, but it’s tearing me up and I just don’t know what to do.  

I feel so much worse now than when I was originally diagnosed.  

TLDR: team thinks there’s no benefit to post op chemo, I can’t help thinking I should anyway for the sake of wife and unborn child.

Thoughts? Opinions?

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Andy

    So very sorry to hear this. I have to admit that if I was in your shoes, I would try the post op chemo. You may not be able to tolerate all 4 rounds of FLOT (I managed 3 full doses) but if you don’t have it or at least try, you will be plagued by the “what if” question. By attempting post op chemo as least you know that you tried everything. Whilst your pre op chemo didn’t appear to have many benefits, who is to say chemo now also wouldn’t? Whilst it apparently didn’t reduce the tumour, chemo now might destroy any of those nasty little cells that could still be hanging around.

    I am thinking of you, your wife and your unborn child and wish you the very best of luck going forwards. 

    Thanks

    Karen

  • Andy

    I can only imagine how devastating this must be for you.  Is it worth getting a second opinion?  I had ECX and altogether FLOT has become the new treatment how do they know if another treatment regime would not work?

    What about immunotherapy?  Or a trial?

    Hope you get some other advice 

    Jac

    Life is what happens when you are making other plans!  
     
     
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Dear Andy,

    I think that you should definetly get a second opinion from another oncologist. Also, I would try to talk to an experieced gastroentologist if I were in your shoes.

    What is your oncologist's plan for follow up post surgery in the scenario where you don't recieve any post op chemo?

    Please also note that FLOT is a fairly new protocol, and the general statistics do not represent your particular case. These numbers usually come from data of elder patients circa 60+ yrs and other socio economic levels.

    I keep thinking about you and your wife, my prayers are with you. I wish for you that you make a sucessful recovery from your operation, and get back to life where you left off. 

    Pre-diagnosis, just 6 months ago we were also trying to build a family and i keep thinking about the life expectancy for your my husband every day. This is very very diffucult being so young, and I do understand your dilemma. I also think that future is full of new discoverys and who knows, in just couple of years from now on, they can come up with better treatments for cancer.

    all my best,

  • Dear Andy,

    What an absolute kick in the teeth. Everything I begin to write seems trite and cliched.

    Reading your posts you strike me as a doer not someone who waits to be told what's best. If you feel well enough I believe you'll take the treatment. Even a 1% chance of it helping you survive is better than nothing. You can begin the treatment and if becomes too much and your life quality suffers then stop? It's a fine balance. 

    I cannot begin to understand how you and your wife feel right now. I don't pray, I'm not in the least spiritual but you and your family are in my thoughts. I just know you will make the right decision. 

    Keep fighting.

    Much love

    Pam

    X

  • OK, so...

    After talking it over with my wife, family, friends, a Macmillan advisor etc I’ve decided to press on with the chemo in spite of the oncologists view.  A slim chance of some possible benefit is better than nothing, and as my wife said, I wouldn’t be happy in myself knowing I didn’t do everything I possibly could and it would just eat away at me.  I’m not overly concerned about the risks (increased as they are) as I got thru the pre-op FLOT pretty easily, apart from a thrombosis.

    I think this was one of those scenarios where it’s not possible for most people to think purely in clinical terms, too much emotion involved.....I just can’t bear to think of potentially leaving my wife with a baby/young child not having done the utmost I could.

    Easily the worst and by far the hardest decision I’ve ever been faced with so far in my life.

    Gonna speak to my nurse specialist(s) on Monday, let them know my decision and get the ball rolling.

    Thanks for the responses, whilst nobody can make my mind up for me, they helped clarify what I was already thinking deep down.  Slight smile

  • Andy

    I just want to wish you well and say how much I admire your courage! 

    Good luck!

    Jac

    Life is what happens when you are making other plans!  
     
     
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Andy_C

    Andy I just wanted to wish you well with your treatment. You really are incredibly brave. 

    Lin

  • Thanks everyone.  Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to has said if it was them, they’d take the chemo.  I’ve had a new PICC line inserted now and chemo starts again this Thursday coming; another 4 rounds of FLOT is the plan.

    I’m not brave, i’m just trying to do the best I can for my wife and our baby.   Plus I’m one really really stubborn sod!

  • Love it! Stubborn wins everytime. 

    Wishing you the best Andy. Everyone deserves the chance. 

    I hope all is well with the pregnancy too. My fingers, arms, legs and remaining hairs are crossed for you all.

    Keep us posted on you and the baby too.

    Heartpulse

    Much love

    P

    X

    PS- desperately hoping for my PICC line to be removed before my surgery, your reinsertion comment gives me hope x

  • Hi PammieD, with regards to the picc line, I asked for mine to be taken out after I finished the pre-op chemo....I didn’t want it left in for a few months for no reason, plus I already had a thrombosis.  Taking them out takes literally seconds.  As a result I now have the new one in my other arm for the matching set :-)