Newly Diagnosed Stage 4 mantle cell lymphoma

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Hi All. First of all I want to say this is my third time having cancer.  I have always had to be different and rare.  When I was 13 I was diagnosed having Hodgkin’s lymphoma stage 3A,  at 25 I was diagnosed with follicular carcinoma of the Thyroid gland.  Now 45 female I’m diagnosed with Stage 4 Indolent Mantle Cell Lymphoma.  Initially they thought I had Mantle Cell Neoplasm in Situ figured I was super. Lucky they caught it early.  However over a year ago I began showing two abnormal glands in my neck, we did a FNA that was inconclusive I tried to push for a full excision biopsy as my FNA in my life have always been inconclusive.  I have always been hard to diagnose. My oncologist figured we would do repeat ultrasounds every 4 months we’ll all of a sudden I went from two abnormal glands to multiple in a six month span, I knew something was up this was in October of 2018 I had to push to see my oncologist who didn’t feel a biopsy was necessary. I continued to push for over three months she said “I don’t think it’s thyroid” I said I don’t think it is either but I have a history of lymphoma. She still didn’t want to do anything but agreed for me to see the head and neck surgeon get his opinion. He agreed to do a full excision biopsy on March 22.  

On April 12 I ended up in the hospital for three weeks the day I got the results saying I had Mantle Cell Neoplasm in situ.  They did a pet scan in which I had multiple glands show up in my pelvic region however let’s not biopsy any.  I had a colonoscopy which showed a twisted colon, ulcers, hemorrhoids, fissures, a fistula just about everything that could be going on was. They took a biopsy of one area which turned out negative for lymphoma I was told since it wasn’t in the gi tract I wasn’t Stage 4.  I had an upper gi which showed my Barrett’s esophagus extended from a 7cm segment to 10cm, I also had a very large active ulcer and a smaller inactive ulcer. But let’s not do any upper GI biopsies.   I pushed for a bone marrow biopsy as my platelets even though were high they had dropped over 100pts in a month.  

I had had my follow up with the hematologist/oncologist on the 16th of May so just two days ago. Told I have Stage 4 indolent Mantle Cell Lymphoma (no treatment as of yet) however I have B symptoms of extreme itching especially my scalp, behind my knee and my private areas. I was told we will start treating when my blood changes, I have more multiple nodes, or larger nodes or organ involvement. I’m sure my liver is affected it’s 21cm it should only be about 13.  I don’t have a spleen so we can’t go by that.  I have bone pain likely a result of the mantles in the bone marrow.  I have pelvic and abdominal pain. I’m just frustrated. 

Im getting married in August that should be my focus not worrying about weather I will be around for the next 10 years.  I honestly don’t know what to think. I have tried to ask for a transfer to Toronto where they have one of the top five cancer centres in the world. Still working on that.  I live in a Canada. Anyway any input would be appreciated.  They can’t do R-chop with me as one of the drugs I have already had the life time maximum. 

I would love love to hear about others symptoms, and at what point you have received treatment.  

  • Hi  and welcome to the Online Community, although I am so sorry to see the circumstance that brought you here and so sorry to hear you are entering a third battle.

    I had a different type of Skin NHL and it took 14 years before I had to get full on treatment as it had become very aggressive. For me it was hit is hard with chemo R-EPOCH and radiotherapy then go straight to have two Allo Stem Cell Transplants with Stem Cells from my brother - the conditioning for the Stem Cell Transplants was full on and certainly the chemo used for the Second was very very hard but it all got me in remission for the first time in 17 years.

    It is important to get the very best consultants to look at your case and come up with a clear plan. Lets look for some of the MCL folks to pick up on your post.

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    Mike (Thehighlander)

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    FormerMember

    Good Morning ColeD74,

    I also have MCL, was first diagnosed 4 years ago and now midway into my 5th year.  I had the leukemic form of MCL was on W&W for 2 1/2 years before treatment. Once the lymphomas appeared putting abdominal organs at risk as well as lymphomas in neck and head that were a danger to my breathing, I was put on therapy.  They started with BR (bendamustine + rituxan) but the one 2-day cycle was more than I could take, lost 18 pounds in 10 days, loss of muscle etc.  

    I was then given ibrutinib +Rituxan (I+R) with outstanding results, the ibrutinib (first generation BTK) caused me to have rapid heart beat (6-12% of patients develop permanent A-Fib) so I requested the second generation BTK Acalabrutinib +Rituxan.  These are expensive treatments but are targeted and most effective with very high QoL (quality of life) so are very much worth the fight. I go to UCSF for treatment and they were able to obtain the drug easily with no copay on my part. I continue to have negative PET/MRI scans and have negative minimal residual disease (MRD).  A small hospital  that is not a cancer center will not be as lucky to get the best, newest, targeted treatments for you.  In the UK, the ENRiCH trial run by Dr. Simon Rule has been having excellent results using I+R as front line treatment.

    So in my opinion, your instincts are spot on switching to Toronto. Go the the best major cancer center get the best MCL doc. The Pharma companies are much friendlier to the large cancer centers of excellence with specialized physicians and many times Pharma facilitates the oncology specialist in getting these expensive drugs free for the patient. So step-up your campaign to go to Toronto -it is your life and you deserve appropriate treatment and a high QoL.

    Warmest regards and Hugs to you.

    Millie

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Thank you for your reply Millie.   In Canada when generally are covered for treatment. If I can get the referral to the specialist in Toronto they have a clinic dedicated just to lymphoma I want the specialist there to determine my course of action and treatment plan. They can then dictate the treatment to my oncologist here.  Last night I had extreme itching back of my leg behind the knee. There is about a 3cm enlarged gland there. As well last couple days I have had chest discomfort. Given they were wrong about it being in situ. Makes me wonder if they are wrong about it being indolent. They have a clinical trial in Toronto but only after you have had your first line of treatment. I’m looking for other clinical trials in Canada.  

    Thanks. 

    ColeD74

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    FormerMember in reply to Thehighlander

    Thanks Mike for all the information I appreciate it.  I honestly don’t want sorry though just stand and fight together. It’s no ones fault and sorries are unnecessary in my opinion. I noticed they sometimes use stem cell transplants in MCL however, because of my multiple health issues I don’t think they will consider me a candidate.  I’m for sure looking for options including clinical trials. I’m glad there are groups like this to discuss our illness.  When I turned 40 I said I was only half way to dead so I got 35 years left. Either I will beat MCL in that time or I will fight it for 35 years. Icancer doesn’t beat me I destroy cancer! 

    Thanks 

    ColeD74

  • Hi, from research so years ago when they started to understand MCL was not always aggressive they seemed to agree that the was 3 groups for rate of growth, the 2 we understand best aggressive and indolent and then the is a third that sits in between that, it needs treatment, but is not as aggressive as the aggressive version, worth discussing depending on what tests were done on the biopsy and what the results showed. 

    Don't totally rule out a SCT I know someone who had FNHL and for them it was never possible due to medically issues until he got to the point where treatment was not working, then it was either a transplant or CAR-T cell and they have gone down the auto sct route. 

    John 

    we all know this is a roller coaster ride, where we ride blind, never knowing where the highs and lows are
  • Hi again, I do like your determination to live life and keep your wedding and married life high up in your mind and go for it.

    When my condition went very wrong back in 2013 I claimed a further 20 years to see my granddaughters graduated and married but I am now setting my eyes further in the future for great grandchildren lol

    Get your pointy elbows into the medical world doors and aim as high as you can.

    As John has said, over the years I have also meet an increasing number of folks with complicated medical issues and increasing ages going though an Auto SCT (using your own cells) and a few going through an Allo SCT (using donor cells)

    SCT back a few years ago was my last and only roll of my dice, hard work but it did do the job. But I am sure that I would have more options now due to the developments.

    ((hugs))

    Mike (Thehighlander)

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    Hey Everyone, 

    update, so after seeing my oncologist may 9th to tell me I’m Stage 4 and she will see me in a couple months for follow up we would do watchful waiting.  Well I got my next appointment in the mail she didn’t want to do follow up until sep 30th. That seems like a long wait period considering I went from two abnormal glands to multiple in a six month span.  First she told me is was Mantle Cell Neoplasm in situ to two weeks later saying oops bone marrow was positive for mantles positive for mantles so your stage 4.  Well I’m 45 and female given the rarity of the cancer and my complete. Medical history I asked for a transfer to a specialized cancer Centre was denied. However I don’t wait patiently by. So I wrote a letter to my government addressing a number of concerns. Long story short my referral was made by my family Dr and medical hematologist/oncologist is finally on board and dictated a letter to the centre.  I’m just waiting on an appointment which can be as early as next week so hopefully will have a plan in place and start some sort of treatment. One of the standard corses of chemo I can’t have because I have already received the maximum of that particular med.  I’m getting married in August and even though the oncologist here things it’s indolent and slow moving I believe she is off. So the sooner I’m in remission the sooner I can relax for at least a little bit.  Thanks for listening to my Rant! lol Joy 

  • Good morning , or is it good night in Canada?

    Well done you in keeping your pointy elbows in the doors of the medical professionals.

    A second opinion is the way to go as with your medical history you know your body well and have an understanding that something is just not right.

    Lets get this appointment soon and get you a clear plan to move forward with. The fact that you have had a number of treatments already will reduce some of the options but from my 20 years experience (with a diffrent type of NHL) there are lots of tools in the Haematologists Tool Box.

    Dont lets this big bump in life hold you back from the enjoyment of planning your marriage, in fact this will make you even more determined to get through this and look to live a long married life.

    My wife and I have been married 40 years past April and we have had to live 20 years with me being treated for cancer - this made no difference to the enjoyment we have had over these years.

    ((hugs))

    Mike (Thehighlander)

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  • Hi, good to see you have got the referral you wanted so should get the best treatment given the issues with prior treatments. Did they say what the percentage was that was showing in the bone marrow as that will inform when treatment may be needed to, because when its not the aggressive type thee are a number of parameters they will look at. So when you see the haematologist have the discussion about how aggressive or how indolent they believe you are or if you are still unhappy ask for a biopsy review due to the changes in diagnosis and your initial experience. Typing lymphoma is an art and mistakes can be made, its that type of disease, you can though be reassured its not the aggressive version as 6 months down the road without out treatment for MC would not be good and you would know. 

    Let us know how you get on.

    we all know this is a roller coaster ride, where we ride blind, never knowing where the highs and lows are
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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Hello from the US I am also a MCL patient  and more options are own the way, Ranting is great, builds up courage and fight for your life.

    I have been reading and the Canadian doctors are lobbing for acalibrutinia to be approved soon.  Tumors respond vastly because releases from nodes and low dose Rituxan.  Talk to your doctor about your options. Your your men usually get chemo and a sct are informed. I you are forced to take ibrutinib be generous water to drink to help elevate side affects.It work fast for your honeymoon. Either way talk to your expert. and always check your infusion bottle labels. the highlander and johnr are our leaders in this form I am a new commer. not so wise as technical. Macmillan They are good about nutrition, and avoiding crowds.

    After my cycle of BR I look terrible was immun-comprized.  and  i went on a cruise had a great time. Bottled watered only, no ice, no handshaking and do not stand in shadow of a cougher.  I bacterial my room, airplane The solid tumor the worst they involve organs and take then out so better to get rid of them sooner than later.

    Your other possible treatment is BR. Best time ever to treat and beat MCL!

    Good Luck!Millie

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