16 months later...

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[This turned out to be rather longer than I intended. I don't need help so please don't feel you have to read all (or any) of it.]

It’s easy to remember when my treatment finished – it was New Year’s Eve (double dose to get it over with) 2021. So 16 months now. I had 35 bouts of radiation, two of chemo (I couldn’t manage the planned third one) for throat (nasal pharynx) cancer. I got the all clear in April 2022 – so a year ago. Of course all that treatment comes with side effects of which there are quite a few. I thought I would list what I’m still experiencing. I’m 60 next month.

(This site is humbling – whenever I’m feeling particularly sorry for myself I can come here and see other having it much worse – but we still have to face our own problems.)

I’ve split this into three: physical (non-food related), food related and mental.

 

Physical (non-food)

I’ve had some odd ones – or at least they seem odd to me but maybe others share them. I feel the cold in a way I never did before. It has to be very warm before I take my jumper off and I always wear a vest. I sometimes wonder if this is a side effect of eating less (see below). I also seem to have stopped sweating. Not sure if these are related. I had an infra red sauna the other day – usually I would be dripping with sweat, this time not a single drop. None of this is serious.

I seem to smell different. Maybe that’s a diet thing too.

I can’t do physical work with my head down for long, for example: changing a tyre or edging the lawn. I find I get nauseous after about ten minutes. This may be related to the removal of my uvula before my treatment. This is boring but realistically I don’t do this sort of thing often.

I still get tired quite easily but this may be age! Or lack of fitness. I’ve really struggled to restart the little exercise I used to do.

I still can’t fully open my mouth. This is one of those things that you don’t notice until you try and put a big spoon in it. Or go to the dentist. I tried to eat a whole Lindt chocolate ball at Easter and nearly choked as I couldn’t get my mouth open wide enough to bite it. I also find my jaw gets stiff. I chew gum quite a bit which seems to help this.

My beard, which stopped growing altogether, now grows normally again.

I’m sure others must have experienced this – but several people tell me I look/sound much better. And I’ve seen them quite recently. I know I must have been grisly a year ago but people who I’ve seen six months ago say I look better – they didn’t tell me I looked ill six months ago!

 

Food

This is still a big problem for me. It has definitely improved but the changes are so slow as to be almost imperceptible and then you look back and think, yes maybe it has got a bit better. There are two issues: swallowing and taste. I have to take very small mouthfuls or I simply can’t swallow it unless it’s liquid (e.g. soup or custard). Dry (cooked!) pasta is much worse than fresh pasta; most meat is very difficult unless it’s either mince or sliced very thinly. Fish is not easy either – raw seems to be much easier than cooked. And things like croissant or cake sponge I find hard too as they form into a ball and I can’t get them down. I find therefore that I eat far more vegetables than I used too. I’ve also rediscovered a liking for salad with oily dressing.

I find bits of food hang around in my mouth in a way they never used to – don’t know what that’s about, not enough saliva maybe?

The taste is a bigger problem than the swallowing. Still, 16 months later, very little tastes right. Spices are too spicy, sugar is hard to discern (who knew that honey tastes of beeswax – obvious though it is but only really noticeable if you can’t taste the sweetness properly.) Wine tastes vinegary (and slightly “off” – oxidised/stale). I used to prefer dark chocolate now I eat milk. It’s a small thing but indicative of what’s changed. My smell functions completely normally which is both nice and frustrating – coffee in particular smells great and just tastes very bitter, and nothing else.

I think my taste buds have improved but the problem is that I have this constant sour taste in my mouth which pollutes everything. I wouldn’t describe it as metallic it’s more a sour mucus. So the first taste can be good but then the moment I start chewing it all goes off.

Food and cooking used to be one of my big passions – that has all gone and it largely remains a chore.  You also become very aware how most social occasions centre around food and drink. Not enjoying either now makes one so much more wary. Also because I need to eat small mouthfuls it takes me ages to eat anything.

I’m complaining but it is getting better just very very very slowly.

 

Mental

I think I was lucky. I was largely in denial about the whole thing and to some extent still am. It never occurred to me that this was serious. I never worried about the future. I was more irritated by the interruption to my life. As everyone on here knows, the treatment was much worse than the disease: I literally had a very minor sore throat, no more. So there was plenty of discomfort – the stomach tube, the catheter, the morphine cold turkey, the nausea and the worst sore throat you’ve ever had – but I literally never thought I might die. I had one silly incident a few months ago when I had a persistent ulcer on my tongue and talked myself into a panic (with a little help from Mr Google) which I bought myself out of with a private appointment (£400 for twenty minutes and an unnecessary tube up my nose and down my throat). But otherwise I’m expecting to live forever. As usual.

I was on anti-depressants for seven years (five years prior to all this) and was encouraged to go on them again at the beginning of the treatment. I had the prescription and even took one tablet but then decided I really didn’t need them. And I was right. The treatment part is easy anyway; the much harder part is the recovery, especially once you get the all clear. (Is that controversial? I doubt it, I’m sure fellow patients would readily understand.) But even with the strains – I’ll elucidate in a moment – I haven’t felt my depression returning. I’ve felt down and sad and frustrated and angry but it hasn’t been depression. So that’s a good thing. But everything else feels a bit grim.

I have a couple of personal problems. One, my business – I’m self-employed and have no critical injury insurance – collapsed when I couldn’t attend to it for nine months. I work in the financial sector and my area of the market is on its back so it has been almost impossible to get it up and running again. I have a few leads – good ones – but nobody wants to commit to spend money at the moment. I’ve even tried to get a job but it’s close to impossible aged 59 in my sector (and impossible in anything else I’m not qualified in). And two, my marriage is in trouble. You don’t need the details but it was rocky before this. During it my wife was sweet and insisted (even in the early days when it wasn’t necessary) on driving me to the radiation dates. But as I recovered so her friendliness retreated and now we’re near the end. So that is nothing to do with the cancer – just a concurrent event – but interesting that the rapprochement proved purely conditional.

Then to top it all my father died with Alzheimer’s on Boxing day. Bittersweet – I loved him dearly and miss him every day; but it was also a relief and you have time to reconcile yourself to him leaving as, frankly, he had all but gone before the end anyway.

So it’s all a bit grim. And it’s easier when all you have to do is worry about the cancer treatment. Once that is removed, you’re left back with your life and, in my case, it’s rather worse than it was before. And I’ve really struggled to get going again.

To be clear, I’m not asking for sympathy. I’m telling it simply to share my experience which I hope others might interesting or helpful.

 

(Well that was rather longer than I anticipated – classic problem of self-pity and too much time on my hands.)

  • (Well that was rather longer than I anticipated – classic problem of self-pity and too much time on my hands.)

    Not at all. We all need to get stuff off our chests. I bet you feel better. Much of what you describe was almost exactly the same for me. Four years on I’m almost as I was except my saliva is reduced. 
    Can I just make one particular comment about worries of recurrence. My team has told me that if I spot a new symptom they would see me straight away so no need  for exploring the private sector. I have had two such appointments and was always told it was absolutely no bother seeing me. This extends to past five years though I will no longer be routinely monitored. 
    Keep going. Things change and thanks for the immensely useful update. 

    Dani 

    Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019

    I wrote a blog about my cancer. just click on the link below 

    https://todaymycoffeetasteslikechristmasincostarica.com 

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  • Really helpful/interesting read that OJS, and I can relate directly to many of your experiences.

    Reflective thoughts of how the journey was from down the line I think are very useful for people starting out, can't tell them what will happen but can prepare them for some of the things that might.

    Finding yourself single at sixty (if it comes to that) is difficult for sure, it happened to me and two and a half years later I'm still struggling.

    Best for the future though and thanks for the valuable post.

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  • Hi OJS63

    I identified so strongly with much of your post and am experiencing a lot of what you described. I had my first cancer op at 59 when I was in the workforce still. I retired at 65 and since then have had 2 more large cancer ops and this year am having my 70th. birthday so am still powering on albeit a bit more slowly.

    It has been a long road and I still experience many of the physical symptoms you describe but over time have got used to them and have found ways and means to adjust. Your whole life does get affected by a cancer diagnosis and the treatment involved and it is definitely a ‘new normal’ life for me. In spite of that I am enjoying my third chance at life and making the most of it working around some of the limitations I now have around eating. Currently I can’t eat in public as I am very messy but I still enjoy going out for meals with others and joining in celebrations. As you say there is so much socialization around eating and I don’t want to miss out on that. I fill up before I go out and no one seems to notice that I am not eating or drinking anything and that way I don’t miss out on all the banter and happiness associated with these celebrations.

    I also went through the ups and downs, feeling anxious, depressed, stressed coming to grips with my mortality but that gradually receded and I am now in a good place emotionally. I didn’t want these emotions to hold me back from moving on although sometimes I have a little hiccup as most people do.

    Personal relationships can be really tested during treatment and it was great that your wife was so supportive at that time. I am sorry that the relationship has not survived and wish you well going forward with this.

    Thank you for this post as I am sure it will resonate with so any others.

    Lyn

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  • but I literally never thought I might die.
    But otherwise I’m expecting to live forever. As usual.

    Do you know that's particularly apt.

    I KNEW I was going to die but at the same time KNEW I wouldn't . How can you imagine both at the same time. The mind is a remarkable thing. The first is self pity the second clutching at survival?

    I put my affairs in order..It kept me busy and was comforting. I'm medically qualified and understood exactly where I stood and what was going to happen but I knew I would survive. The team looking after me are good at their job which they do every day and that job was to fix me. I had to keep myself together.

    I still find this article by Dr Peter Harvey really useful and refer to it now and then

    After The Treatment Finishes....Then What

    Dani 

    Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019

    I wrote a blog about my cancer. just click on the link below 

    https://todaymycoffeetasteslikechristmasincostarica.com 

    Macmillan Support Line - 0808 808 00 00, 7 days a week between 8am-8pm

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  • Hi OJS Thank  you for posting and feel free to come on here anytime for a chat a rant or ask a question. My uvula melted away due to radiotherapy it’s a strange feeling you don’t know what it does until it’s gone. Hopefully something comes along work wise the economy surely will turn round at some point. 
    Please as Dani says refer to your team if you’ve any issues. I’m down to my last ent appointment soon the 5 years is almost up but have already been told if I have any issues niggles contact them Not via GP. My dentist referred me last year she saw something she didn’t like I was seen within 2 weeks it was nothing. 
    Hugs Hazel x

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  • Thank you for your kind words and thoughts (including your other comment). Actually I did ring the NHS and they did give me an appointment but not for another 10 days. Once I had the appointment I couldn't think about anything else - as I said I'm normally rather blasé about these things but this had completely got under my skin and I couldn't wait any longer. The irony is that the consultant I saw was the same one who I was seeing on the NHS!

  • Thank you for your empathy. I wish you every good luck in finding happiness. 

  • Thank you for your thoughtful response.

  • I had throat cancer, given the 'all clear' 7 months ago. Still cannot swallow, cannot eat, food in my mouth is revolting but I can smell.  I can absolutely relate to 90%; of what you have written.  Do you know why you can't swallow?  I been told 'stricture, swelling, RT damage' but I  still don't really know.  I'm so very, very fed up with it. I've lost 3.5 stone and am now on pump feeding.  Like you, I go through days of total despair.  Right now I I have no idea where to get any help.  I've been seeing a Kinesiologist who I feel has balanced things.  I just want to,eat.  Could you let me know what has been said to you?  It's been suggested to me that I insist on a second opinion, swallowing is the problem mainly, at The Royal Marsden. Be really interested to hear your experiences.  I too am exhausted, no strength, stamina getting better because I walk but that burns too many calories!  Lost my parents and brother in the past 3 years.....2 to cancer mum to 'dementia ' although it was never diagnosed.  A  lot in common here!!!!!    Feel free to private message me.  x