Hello to everyone in this group. I’ve just joined although I’ve been on a 5 month cancer journey thus far. Like many of you I have metastatic squamous cell carcinoma caused by HPV, probably somewhere in the area of my tonsils/tongue.
I’ll describe my journey so far as it may help someone; it’s a bit long winded but I want people to be able to ask me questions if they are in a similar position and have concerns. I know each of our cancer journeys are unique and personal to us and our family and friends but the twists and turns of mine may strike a chord with someone.
Maybe this is also just a little cathartic for me. If that is the case I apologise!
Back in September 2019 I discovered a lump in my right neck whilst doing a long drive home from Manchester. You know the feeling… Tired from sitting in the car and rubbing your neck to ease the tension. What I found was hard and only on one side. At first I put it down to an infection and kept a watch for a few days. 4 or 5 days later when it had not changed, I rang my GP late in the afternoon. They got me into see the duty GP at the local community hospital that night. Incidentally; on reflection I’ve not had any of the classic symptoms you read about for oropharyngeal cancers.
From there things moved quickly with an ultrasound 2 weeks later. They were concerned and found somebody who could do an U/S guided needle biopsy at the same time so I did not have any delay. That was on a Friday. The following Monday at 7.30 am my GP was on the phone to me putting me on the cancer pathway. That afternoon I had a chest X-ray and the same day I had the GP texting me to say that was clear. The following morning bloods were also taken and I had my first O/P appointment with the consultant. The results of the needle biopsy were negative, but my consultant still wanted to take out the enlarged level 2 node. I am grateful he insisted on doing that.
The neck dissection was arranged for 2 weeks later. I am so appreciative of the way the clinical team moved heaven and earth to get me in ASAP as I had a long standing holiday to the USA booked. They ensured that the time was there to allow me to recover from the operation and make that holiday. The dissection was done by an ex-colleague (which I initially found a little concerning) and I spent a night in hospital.
In the follow-up appointment they broke the devastating news that the lymph node was metastatic cancer. This gave me 2 days to decide to go or cancel my holiday. Talking through the risks I decided to go and whilst I was away sort out all the test and scans so that they commenced when I returned. That worked for me (actually us as my wife is most definitely part of this journey). We had time to come to terms with the situation and I walked off the plane and, literally, straight into MRI and CT/PET diagnostic scans.
The scans indicated right tonsil and back of the tongue as sites. I was scheduled for biopsies at the first theatre slot in the New Year. Again, I am grateful for being allowed to enjoy the festive season before the operation. This operation was day surgery and I went home late that evening.
The neck dissection was not really painful, but the tongue and tonsil biopsy was excruciatingly painful. In the end the GP prescribed me morphine, but I seem to be one of the few people that do not gain much benefit from that drug! After 10 to 14 days everything had settled down.
Before the biopsy operation I had discussed my tertiary options with my surgeon at the local DGH (I live mid-way between hospitals). My local DGH (for this cancer) only does the work-up and thereafter you are referred on. It is well worth doing research on your options to give you the best chance of good outcomes. Both of my options were good tertiary centres, but I opted for the one that worked very closely with my local hospital as the communications between hospitals is key to successful treatment.
The follow-up was 10 days after the operation. I was told there was no sign of cancer in the biopsies. That was on the Monday. That Tuesday afternoon I was seeing my local hospital surgeon and my tertiary surgeon together to discuss the next steps. This meeting occurred immediately after the MDT where they discussed my case. For me the recommended option was a further neck dissection to remove the remaining lymph nodes and removal of the tonsils. They may also do further tongue biopsies. That would occur 8 days latter and involve an overnight stay.
From my experience of the biopsy less than 2 weeks earlier I knew that pain was going to be my worst enemy. I took time to discuss pain management with the anaesthetic team – that was worth while as I managed much better. I also did some research and that indicated that, clinically, clear honey helps reduce pain in (children’s) tonsillectomy; I believe it helped me. Recovery time was again around 10 to 14 days, although my skin is still very sensitive where the nerves were cut. That will get better.
The follow-up again saw no sign of cancer in the tissue removed. In fact, the surgeon said he was so amazed that he took an extra 90 minutes checking me and called 3 consultant colleagues into theatre to make sure he had not missed anything! That’s good news, but I am left bemused as to what has happened. I double checked that the pre-Christmas biopsy PET scan were actually correct; and they are.
I am back in another week to discuss options for radiotherapy, but I think this is unlikely at this stage. Instead I’ll be on what I call “cancer watch” for the next 5+ years to catch anything really early if it develops.
My journey so far has been rapid. I’ve introduced delays through taking a holiday and Christmas got in the way. Personally those delays were worth their weight in gold in mentally preparing us for what was to come.
I can’t fault the NHS for doing everything possible. I can say that individuals in the clinical teams have acted with the upmost respect and involvement of me.
Possibly I am lucky having worked in senior non-clinical roles in the NHS for nearly 2 decades. This has included various DGH and cancer networks. It has given me confidence to deal with the system and work with the experts as equals in making decisions about my care.
I am happy to discuss my personal impressions of treatment and what has worked for me; clinical risk decisions, eating, pain management, recovery etc. I am also very happy to discuss the issues of having a diagnosis, but not having a primary site. This has a very strange mental effect on me. I like to have a “known” I can deal with; so the next couple of weeks whilst we come up with a long term strategy will be interesting.
Hi welcome to the club , good to hear a slightly different version to the normal route .wish you well on your 5 year cancer watch , I am now 18 month post radiotherapy for tonsil cancer with several affected lymph nodes,no neck dissection as one of the lymph nodes was deemed to close to spinal area for operation itbwas onky a tiny lymph and my oncologist was confident the chemo radiation would do its job .
Happy to say it did , I was treated at Leeds cancer centre and now back in the hand surgery if my local e n t team,with a yearly visit to my oncologist.
keep in touch
Hazel
Hazel aka RadioactiveRaz
My blog is www.radioactiveraz.wordpress.com HPV 16+ tonsil cancer Now 6 years post treatment. 35 radiotherapy 2 chemo T2N2NM.Happily getting on with living always happy to help
2 videos I’ve been involved with raising awareness of HNC and HPV cancers
Welcome PFJTHS
Thats some journey. I hope you got Siri to type that only joking.
I think the reasoning behind not finding a primary is that the body has taken care of it leaving a lymph node with active disease.
I am truly happy you have not had to have radiotherapy.
I guess it leaves you in a five year limbo like most of us here.
Welcome to the survivors club.
PS if you copy paste your post into your profile more people will see it. It’s a more permanent record of your story once your post has disappeared under others
I am 13 months out of radiotherapy, I have a few minor issues but alive and kicking
Well done
Dani
Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019
I'm certainly hoping that the body has dealt with the cancer. That was one of the explanations discussed last week. Apparently this in not too common and there is a 60-70% recurrence rate. So it's very much keeping a close eye on things.
The other option is that the primary is too small to be found. They have always talked of it being 3-4mm in size. Again it's keeping a close watch on things.
I had prepared myself for radiotherapy and all the downsides of it, but will be very glad if next week they say the benefit is far outweighed by the trauma of "untargeted" therapy.
Thanks for the advice on the post - I'll do that.
Hi. I too had CUP (cancer of unknown primary).., probably tonsil area which is where they targeted RT. I was also told that the body may have dealt with the primary, leaving the secondary in my neck lymph node or, it is so small that they can't find it. Had post RT pet/ct scan 2 weeks ago and all clear. I too find it hard to get my head around them not finding the primary but, have decided I need to stay positive and just take the "looks good" monthly examinations as a reason to keep going, otherwise I might be just permanently holding my breath.
Hi Hazel,
Apologies for jumping on your post but your treatment sounds very similar to mine.
I was diagnosed with cancer in my tonsils. I became aware of it via a lump on my neck however they had to find the source which they suspected may be hiding in the tonsils, after a toncil removal this was confirmed.
I have gone through 35 days radiotherapy and 6 chemotherapy.
Treatment completed 3 weeks. My question is recovery how did you find It as I'm still feeling very sick with lack of appetite. I'm on pain patches and oral morphine but thought i would be starting to feel better.
Any advice or just your journay post treatment would be greatly appreciated.
I'm also doing the immunotherapy trial.
Thank you 8n advance
Colin
Hi Colin
no worries only too pleased to help I have a blog detailed below may give you some tips.
i know 3 weeks might sound a long time but in reality it’s a small step , at the moment your body is still leeching the radiation and chemotherapy out I liken it to an oil filled radiator thats slowly leeching everything out . Hydration is one of the keys I was trying to drink water orally or or through n g tube as much as 2-2 litres a day . I had done my n g tube out on week 3 but was still mostly on the Ensure food supplements .
theres an excellent article online by Dr Peter Harvey titled After treatment what happens next ? It goes on ro explain what and why you are feeling like you do.i am now 21 month post radiotherapy for tonsil cancer with several affected lymph nodes and even now I can have days where food is a chore ,nit to be a downer do t get me wrong I am living my life riding my bike gardening etc .For a good time food is a case of eat to live rather than live to eat is a good mantra to follow .
you will get there ,plenty if us in here are proof to that.Baby steps is the way to go .As for pain relief I never had patches but did have oramorph and do codomol for a good few months.Whatever you do please do a phased withdrawal from the opiates .plus I found a gentle walk every day helped ok to start with it was less than 100 yards but went a little further each day it helps with the radiation fatigue .
hope this helps ask anything and will try to help
Hazel x
Hazel aka RadioactiveRaz
My blog is www.radioactiveraz.wordpress.com HPV 16+ tonsil cancer Now 6 years post treatment. 35 radiotherapy 2 chemo T2N2NM.Happily getting on with living always happy to help
2 videos I’ve been involved with raising awareness of HNC and HPV cancers
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