Hi all
Last summer I was diagnosed with HPV tonsil cancer which had already spread to a lymph node (T1N1M0). I was given the option of CRT or surgery with a c. 80% chance that I would still need follow up CRT, but it would be more targeted. I opted for surgery - bilateral tonsillectomy, TORS and neck dissection with 50 nodes removed. I was in the lucky 20% and that was the end of my treatment. Fingers crossed.
There’s a lot of discussion on this forum about CRT being the best option to ensure no recurrence - ‘gold standard’ or ‘belt and braces’. This gave me a lot of anxiety that I’d made the wrong decision so I chatted to my consultant. I thought there were some useful points to share;
- research on HPV HNC is developing fast and less aggressive treatments are preferred and can be as successful.
- this is particularly the case for early stage cancers and that can include spread to a node
- around 20-30% of early stage HPV cancers diagnosed are now treated with surgery only and no CRT.
- there are clearly lots of caveats about how the team decide whether CRT is needed following surgery.
- recovery from surgery and long term side effects are much better than CRT and I guess we see fewer of these stories on the forum because we don’t need as much support.
Hope this info might be useful to those having to make this decision.
Good to hear you are doing so well.
Sadly though my cancer was early too with no nodal spread, at the base of my tongue it was inoperable.
You’re right Woodz that early stage HPV + oropharyngeal cancer that is respectable with clear margins can be cured without CRT. The de escalation studies have not shown that reducing the amount of RT for those of us that need it is beneficial.
We await Flash and hope for better outcomes ones.
Dani
Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019
There must be so many different factors that they look at when making the decision whether CRT is needed following surgery. I would have followed their guidance like a shot if they thought CRT was needed.
I hope I haven’t upset anyone posting this - but I had a lot of anxiety thinking I should have had CRT to be sure.
I hope I haven’t upset anyone posting this - but I had a lot of anxiety thinking I should have had CRT to be sure.
Of course you haven’t. The medics know what they are doing. If they felt you needed CRT you would have been told.
Dani
Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019
Hello there, it is amazing what future development in curing this particular cancer could achieve,no doubt about that, however, in my husbands case, and the rest of the 70%, surgery was not an option and we had to go with RT and CT. Yes it was painful and the recovery just as cruel, but so far he his doing well and I am so grateful that he his still with us. So everyone out there who hasn't got choice,be strong and stay positive,with the support of family and loved ones,you will get through it. Fellow wife. Mel x
Hi Woodz,
like you, I was T1N1M0 and I opted for surgery. I had the right tonsil out, tongue base and the lymph nodes on the right side too.
I was told by my surgeon that, as my lymph node was above 3cm, radiotherapy was required.
I duly met with my oncologist before RT and she told me that, in future, the 3cm rule to decide whether or not to get RT will be a thing of the past soon enough and it would very likely be surgery only for the vast majority going forward. I asked why and she said it was all to do with their studies and data collection showed that this was a very effective way of dealing with this type of cancer with a favourable prognosis.
clearly everyone is different but I’ve put my faith in these very smart people who know what they’re doing. It’s a very evolving field
Hi Woodz. That is really interesting info. Things are really evolving around the radiotherapy arena. I know that if I had been told that my op was all that was necessary I would have been ecstatic. As others have said everyone is different and radiotherapy for me was highly recommended so I decided to go with the experts on that one. I know others who have had clear margins and not needed radiotherapy so that was great for them. It would be great in the future if the need for radiotherapy is reduced if the cancer is caught early enough. Things are evolving for the better all the time in the medical world.
Lyn
Sophie66
Hi I had hpv tonsil cancer ( even though they were removed as a kid) T2N0M0. I was given choice of RT or tors I chose tors. I had neck dissection first 47 lymph nodes removed, all clear. Then had tors week later. 2 days after surgery had haemorrhage which resulted in emergency surgery where I had bilateral diathermy to my palatte and tongue. I was told that I might also need RT after but they decided to watch me instead ,one of my margins was short by 1.5mm due to my carotid artery being in the way. I'm getting anxious about it coming back and have my first ct scan on Wednesday. I'm 3 months post treatment. No trouble with my scar or throat just my tongue where it was cauterised. Still using therabite machine to try and stretch scar tissue .
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