A question for those post-op and long-term clear please?
My pathway, like many, has been FLOT x 4, operation, mopping up FLOT x 4.
I'm currently on round 3, due to have round 4 this week. I've had three rounds at 80% dosage and the first two went well - a LOT better than any of the pre-op rounds I had (which were also at 80% as my first round at 100% hospitalised me), and I was pleasantly surprised as everyone, including my surgeon, said they would be harder. He said at the time 'not to beat myself up if you can only tolerate three rounds or less', and so far I've been lucky, I've made three.
BUT... oh my goodness this round 3 has taken it out of me hugely. I've been nauseous now for the whole time, which of course affects appetite, and in turn weight. I genuinely feel this round has done more harm than good, I feel so ill and weak with it. The neuropathy in my hands and feet has ramped up, and walking is becoming difficult due to muscle loss and weakness.
I am desperate to do the full 4 rounds, and speak to my oncologist this week on Tuesday, bloods on Wednesday, last chemo on Friday. I'm going to ask if she can drop it to 50%, but whatever the decision I know I can't do another 80%.
Thankfully I am on an intensive follow-up study called SARONG, and will be very closely monitored for 5 years, so if anything does reoccur it will be picked up quickly (which is what this particular study is about). I'm also on the Add-Aspirin trial too, so my after care will be really good.
I'm scared though... what if I put myself at risk by not having all 4 rounds? I'm just feeling my body really has reached its limit now, both mentally and physically.
I know I'm lucky, I am now cancer free and have had the histology results in writing, as well as verbally from my surgeon. I guess I'm doing what he said not to, and beating myself up about it.
Hi Jennie
Trust me you will be fine. I know it's very scary and I felt exactly the same until I got into hospital. As soon as I arrived the nurses were so nice and I instantly felt calmer. It was like that the whole time I was in there. Everything was explained really well and the care they provided was exceptional.
If you have any concerns or problems they will sort it out.
When you are up to it please keep in touch if you want to
Wish you all the best
Dean
Hi Geo
How are you getting on?. I'm 7 weeks post op and my chemo Is on March 7th, four more rounds if I can manage it. The op went really well and they got all the cancer out and only 1 of 68 lymph nodes removed were bad. So this chemo as they said is mopping up any microscopic cancer cells that might be left
Picc line in next Tuesday and then first round the following week
Hope you are still doing ok, let me know
Best wishes
Dean
Hello Jennie, I hope your op goes OK. Like you I was treated at QA and am now 15 weeks post op. I have had two cycles of post op chemo, with different symptoms to the pre op cycles. Although fatigue is a constant to both. My tumour was a scamous cell carcinoma now removed along with lymph nodes. Good margins from the histology. Keep us informed.
best wishes Paul
Hello Paul, thank you for responding to my post.
Did you have the keyhole? and no testing for leaks? They are a fantastic team on all levels of cancer care.
My tumour was 1st diagnosed as a NET, after 2 rounds of chemo it was re-diagnosed as a Adenocarcinoma T3N2M0.. I was then started on FLOT, I am 64 and after the 6 rounds of chemo not as fit as I was.
I met with the surgeons yesterday and anaesthetist. He outlined the procedure but did not bombard me, he did make a comment that threw me at first but I guess they cannot be 100%. He said, I should be able to do the reconstruction, I will do all I can to get the best outcome. It played on my mind but I now feel he was just laying it out, they cannot be a 100%.
I am anxious about the epidural but I guessing you have lots of support and a good dose of local anaesthetic.
How long was your op.
They said if all on course, 3/4 days in ICU, then down to the next level, then down to pre-home ward. How many days before you went home Paul.
Do you use the SPLASH group?
It’s nice to chat with a fellow QA person, are you having more Chemo or did you stop at 2? How has your eating journey been so far.
Best wishes Jennie
Hi Jennie
Your diagnosis is very similar to what mine was T3 N1 M0. The surgeons will never completely commit to what they will do and to be fair they can't as sometimes when they start it may have to change. When they done my gastrectomy he said they may have to go in from the side but luckily they didn't.
I was only in for a week with 1 night in ITU. The surgeon did say my age 58 and the fact I had got myself very fit for the op really helped.
Time in ITU will depend on how the op goes and also how soon you can go home
You know I'm here for you if you need me. Don't try and think too far ahead just take each day as it comes, you will be fine
Best wishes
Dean
Hi Paul
Good to hear they got the tumour out and good margins. My results were similar but I'm only 7 weeks post op. FLOT chemo begins again March 7th.
You are right fatigue is the worst side effect but lack of taste and neuropathy aren't pleasant either so hoping they won't return.
Hope your recovery continues to go well
Best wishes
Dean
Thank you Dean, I am an over thinker, your posts have really helped with this as well as my bestie.
I hope I have a good connection on my phone and I-Pad, I am with Vodafone and I have been quite disappointed with my network in the hospital so far, no bars!!
Best wishes
Jennie
Hello Jennie, currently in cycle two of post op chemo. Third cycle due one week this coming Monday (4 Mar). Teleconference with oncologist on Tuesday I expect the third cycle to go ahead. Age wise I turned 70 in January however did have good reserves of fitness, long distance running back in the day.
Re the op I went into the Operating theatre at 0830. The epidural took 20 minutes rather than the expected 5. Difficulty feeding through the vertebrae so had to go lower in my back. No pain I was chatting to the anaesthetist the whole time, and a young man called Fred stroked my arm and chipped in.
My consultant surgeon phoned my wife at 1830 to say everything had gone well and he was shattered. I do remember coming round in recovery and was there for about 3 hours. Onto ITU at 2200ish where my wife and son came and we had an intelligible conversation. Drains all over, probably worse for wife and son than me.
consultant came to see me early the next morning saying ‘you look well’. Out of bed later on and stayed out until evening. Managed to shuffle a few steps. Walking continued all the time I was in hospital.
I was on ITU for 4 days then onto the surgical high dependency for 4 days. Nil by mouth so fed through the jej tube. Whilst on the high dependancy ward I heard 40 sips mentioned which I assumed meant 40 sips of water! Well no one offered me anything else. Eventually I realised what Fortisips is. These were OK at first however then made me feel nauseous. Fortijuice was offered and this was OK. My GP are currently supplying ActiGain which is a similar protein drink.
Moved onto E2 the general ward on the Friday after op, en suite room. Able to wash etc and watch the ambulances queue up outside.
My consultant would not discharge over the weekend so left on the Monday, 11 days on.
On the general ward I began eating soft foods, porridge, mash and gravy etc. Most upset as no ice cream that weekend!
Careful with eating experimenting with amounts, does get better. Had Christmas lunch all trimmings and pudding. Am finding sweet things such as jam not pleasant anymore and I had a very sweet tooth. Been to local restaurants portion sizes too much although managed to finish risotto a couple of times, had a curry. Soon know if over eaten, very uncomfortable although does clear. Burping more than previous. Bread, scones, crumpet out at present. Not had pizza yet either.
I attended the splash group in December and managed a mince pie. Will miss next one due to chemo however hope to be at the June meeting.
My consultant was very positive all the way through and demanded two things from me, one be positive and two make sure you are fit ahead of treatment.
Had a review with a senior in the critical care unit, she said I had made a remarkable recovery in a short space of time. I followed the consultant’s demands.
Hope this helps all rather long
all the best Paul
Hi Paul, hi Jennie , Dean and Geo
I haven't contributed in quite a while. I had the surgery in October. If it went well, I had to spend more than a month in hospital. I was very week when I finally went home.
I'm glad all went so well for you Paul. Your fortisip comment made me laugh! I had to take the vegan one which was the most disgusting thing I ever tasted. I ended up having them via jej, but the smell of them made me gag at times. I didn't know they came as juice too.
Taste change, I am going through this too. Water is very difficult to drink. It seems to stop in my throat and I get a strange feeling I can't quite describe. I have the same problem with coffee (I loved coffee), fortunately that's better now. Tea is fine as long as I put some lemon in it. I drink fizzy water at times and I used to hate it. One thing I'm happy about it chilli.. I have less issues with it than I had lately (I used to eat a lot of them when I was younger). It is all so weird. It's just trial an error in the end.
No adjuvant chemo for me though. I had too many complications after the surgery (I think I had all those that were listed including blood clots) and I'm too weak for that. Since chemo made me quite ill, I'm not complaining about it.
Take care, all of you. Best wishes for the future. Hang on in there
Seasurf
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