Hi all
New to the group. I was diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma at the beginning of April strongly estrogen posltive in 80-100% of the tumour cells- right breast right behind nipple they said progesterone negative and her2 negative and biopsy said not showing in lymph nodes but 2 would need to be removed. I went to one hospital who gave me this opinion that it was 3cm and lumpectomy and radiation are the treatment. I was started on the 8th of May on Letrozole in the hope that it would shrink.
Anyway I thought the tumour was bigger than 3cm myself so I went for a second opinion to a second breast consultant. I didn't want to believe it was so I went along to another breast surgeon with all my questions on lumpectomy and radiation. He unfortunately gave me the bad news that he didn't believe that the size of the tumour was amenable to a lumpectomy. He advised going back to the first hospital as they never did a physical breast exam when they first diagnosed just ultrasound, mammogram and biopsies. I know missing a basic step :(
Took ages to get an apt back at the first hospital but I went back and they said that they made a mistake in that they didn't assess that I was A/B cup size and he agreed with the second surgeon that the cancer remains 4cm in size and that based on esimated cup size attempts at breast conserving surgery would be removing well over 30% of breast volume and would not be a good aesthetic outcome and that I would be better served by mastectomy. He said the best thing now would be an MRI to give more visual information of the extent and he said they would schedule it Sept or October. I met him by the way on the 6th of August. I was upset because I am working 3 days a week and a full time carer for an 88 year old mother who has huge health issues and I have no support yet. Carers are hard to find - only working myself 18.5 hours and finding good ones well that is a minefield. Just have 14 hours a week for my mother who is also late stage dementia which comes with so many challenges and heart failure. The last 9 of my life have been hugely stressful relentless, was caring for my father before he passed away.
To cut a long story short I had Ultrasound yesterday in the second hospital and they said the tumour was still 3cm what the first hospital had said comparing ultrasounds. I am totally confused. She said then the breast surgeons may have said 4cm based on physical exam. She said there is no change from the first ultrasound. It wasn't a particularly nice experience with her when I asked questions and even explaining why I am with two hospitals. She said 'I don't want to get into that with you'. I said but you asked me how I come to be here and why you have scans from the other hospital. She said 'stick with one hospital because we don't link with scans and it can take ages to get scans to us from another hospital'. I felt like saying I am in this situation because there was a discrepancy with one breast surgeon saying lumpectomy and the other saying mastectomy but I didn't bother. She wasn't happy yesterday when I said I would do the ultrasound and I didn't want mammogram as I didn't get a letter for that. I really could not be doing with that pain again of squishing the tumour, I don't care and probably spreading it who knows.... I nearly passed out the last time. She said 'It's even sore for me having a mammogram'. I was going to say but you don't have a 3/4 cm tumour but I didn't bother. Her tone, her frustration and generally non supportive. I had my mum with me too as had no carer for yesterday.
Anyway my questions:
Tumour is the same 3cm (can we trust this?)- does this mean letrozole has not worked from 8 May to 12 Sept (4 months) - is it too soon to expect any shrinkage or does it mean the cancer is more agressive? I am gutted. I am in no position right now for a mastectomy given my mother's health and I really don't want one. I doubt I will stand up to that psychologically given how much stress I have endured for years. I have not met with any oncology but she spoke to me over phone and she said she would expect some shrinkage when I had the ultrasound which was yesterday. Now I don't know if it was 4cm and shrunk to 3cm what the original first hospital said. Or it is 4cm on physical exam but is 3cm on ultrasound.
The alarming thing she said yesterday it was - this is close to the skin (I had felt that it was a bit smaller but no so according to her but she said it is right behind nipple and very close to the skin and it could be growing outwards. No one mentioned this aspect before. Is it a new finding or an old one. I was scared to ask her. She said when are you seeing the breast surgeon, I replied on 23rd Sept. - Does this mean it is growing towards the skin? She said 'You don't want this coming out'. At that point my brain shutdown because her approach was just all wrong. I gave up.
So deflated after yesterday and now going letrozole must not be working or am I expecting results too quickly and what is this new finding it is very close to the skin. Am I in major danger?
If anyone has had any experience of this? My distrust of hospitals goes back a long way because my father got harmed by one and the mistakes I saw being made. This situation is not reassuring me. Do I need a third opinion or wait for MRI. I am also doing watchful waiting on complex cyst ovary 7.8cm - that a separate consultant now wants to remove on my right ovary - remove ovary and cyst as higher risk of it turning because of the links of ovarian cancer and breast cancer. He wants to biopsy it. Have parked that for minute but I am still in touch with him keeping him updated and he would like to see me any wednesday to try to accommodate me getting care for my mother. He does want to take out and biopsy in case... I am 54 and menopause only at 53 prob down to stress and suffered endometriosis all my life. Seems I am growing everything on the right side.
Any advice welcome. I missed 3 oncology apts as hadn't care but she said she was only going to meet me to say stay on letrozole. Now I am worried is this more aggressive after yesterday's encounter. The bit from the radiologist 'you don't want this coming out' was like payback for not doing the mammogram and adhering to her instructions. I really think the radiologist would benefit from the tutelage of someone older and more sensitive in how she words things...which I will say to breast surgeon. Is this going to alter stage...etc.
Down after yesterday and trying to pull myself back up - sorry if badly typed... too tired to read over it. Can I have some good news... Not able...
Hi Compassionf6a8e0
Welcome to the forum, I'm Daisy53 one of the Community Champions on this forum. I'm sorry to hear that you have been diagnosed with breast cancer and that your mother has huge health issues. While I'm no expert I image that four months is probably not long enough for the lump to get smaller. It may not alter the stage that your breast cancer is at. Breast Cancer is very treatable these days, they keep coming up with new treatments all the time.
Wishing you the best of luck with whatever comes next for you.
Best wishes
Daisy53
thanks very much but should I see some changes. I was hopeful 4 months would shrink it a bit.. I suppose I won't know until I talk to breast surgeon. Would love to hear all the experiences with letrozole but if I have such a high estrogen positive cancer does that make things slower who knows right now
and thanks very much Daisy for your kind words of sympathy
Sorry to hear you've had a bad time
I had to have an MRI as my mammogram and ultrasounds didn't match in size and shape
The MRI confirmed it.
not sure about shrinkage etc
Hope you can get some clarity
Have you got any care co-ordinators or any proactive living teams in your gp surgery/area?
They are quite helpful for information re carers and contacts.
Also try a befriending service or look for those offering respite care so you can attend appointments or even just to have a couple of hours to yourself until you can get carers sorted
Hope you can getsomee help and answers soon
Mimi
I feel for you. I remember those early days of the chaos of treatment planning being so tough. Given how much you've already been through, I've no doubt you've got the resilience to see this through - just keep asking questions and advocating for yourself.
I don't know if it's helpful or comparable, as I had a different treatment (Paclitaxel) but my oncologist said he didn't expect the tumour to shrink with the chemo before surgery. The aim was to impact it's density. By the time I had surgery, (earlier than planned as my port gave me sepsis and my chemo had to be stopped after six weeks) the cancer had gone from grade three to grade one. I'd been hoping the tumour would feel smaller, but it didn't, and scans confirmed the footprint was the same, but the surgeon was really pleased with the impact so few sessions of chemo had had.
So I suppose what I'm saying is the chemo may have had an effect without affecting the size of the tumour, which may put your mind at ease.
I also had a tumour that was different sizes depending on who felt it or scanned it. Ultimately though, as others have said, there are lots of treatment options, and whatever size it is, they'll be able to remove it.
Best of luck with next steps, and do take a moment to reflect on what an incredibly strong person and brilliant daughter you are xx
Thanks for answering. Unless a tumor physical exam and then ultrasound mammogram is different sizes depending... I am pending a MRI which I hope will be more comprehensive because I do not want to do another mammogram. My cup size is only A/B no clue now as have lost weight and cannot endure pain of that again and I don't think it is good for me it makes me worry what compression does to a tumour.
I am back with the breast consultant surgeon on 24th. I got date wrong and thought it was the 23rd and asked a carer but now I have no one so I have to see can she do the 24th instead.
There is a shortage of carers in this area so it is really a nightmare and care companies don't treat them well and they keep leaving. I have a copy at the moment 14 hours a week and she is so good but I fear she will leave as she is being sent everywhere and doing over 12 hour days. I need another one or two of her but they are so hard to find. I trust her with my life prob because she also cared for her dad for 13 years and just gets it. I am in Ireland btw.
I would be afraid to put my mother in respite now. My father suffered medication insult and died in 2020 after battling delerium for 3 years that became irreversible after drug changes done by a hospital that had no knowledge. Me and my mother minded him but they changed all his drugs and destroyed him. He had parkinson's. If I had to watch that happen to my poor mum it would take me quicker than cancer. Never got over what happened my father nor did I have time to deal with it.
I am not afraid of death but I am afraid of living a miserable intolerable existence getting destroyed by bad medics that don't listen. I have two opinions conflicting that don't add up and now the issue of that radiology saying the tumour is close to the skin. It is just all behind the nipple the lump.
thanks so much for answering. I am terrified of doing anything and I don't want to end up maimed and no one to mind my mum. I hope to get concise info some time soon but the medical profession leaves me cold... I think they expect you to respond to 'you have cancer' with 'here take everything to save me and have my brain' but I am more afraid of their mistakes.
Daisy
My last MRI they said there was slight shrinkage of the tumour. I started out with 38mm mammogram and now they are saying tumour is 3.4cm disease area 3.8 as mammogram reveals more and there is a 1.5 cm linear enhancement (not explained what it is) found on MRI but not on 3d mammography or ultrasound :( They said it was stable disease but they don't think it is going to shrink much more to allow breast conserving surgery. I have been on it since May.
It seems on posts here people have more shrinkage. Does Letrozole not shrink tumours in certain ER positive breast cancer - progesterone negative and Her2 negative. I don't think I will ever get my head around consenting to an amputation of breast :( disappointed and thinking what else am I going to do. I even contacted a company on repurposed drugs.
Diagnosed April
Mary
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