Hello everyone,
I am 7 weeks into a long treatment plan for ER+/HER2+ breast cancer. So far I have had two sessions of EC with two more to go. After that I start 12 weekly sessions of paclitaxel with injections of Phesgo every 3 weeks for a year.
As a musician I cannot possibly risk getting peripheral neuropathy as this one piece of joy in my life would be lost to me and I am already experiencing tingling toes on the EC.
My neuropathy risk is heightened by the fact that I have Type 1 diabetes.
I understand that the risky drugs are the pertuzamab in the phesgo and the Paclitaxel.
Has anyone on here in a similar situation asked if the pertuzamab could be omitted or the dosages reduced?
I am considering withdrawing from the treatment as Quality of Life is more important to me than quantity and would welcome the thoughts and experiences of others.
Thank you for reading my post
from Tulip
Hello Tulip29
I hope you do not mind me replying as I had a different type of cancer to yours (Mine was womb) but I saw you had posted about neuropathy and were a musician.
I am also musical and I remember talking to my consultant at my chemo consents appointment in detail about the peripheral neuropathy risks with paclitaxel. I did not have EC but another drug called Carboplatin.
I play the piano and a variety of other mainly woodwind instruments. For me it is also about quality of life and not losing the ability to do something I love. I could not at the time bear the thought of not being able to play.
I started to have the numbness and tingling in my hands and feet from the first cycle. My dose was reduced for the second cycle. The paclitaxel was the drug that was reduced as it was believed that one is the one that is associated with the neuropathy. By my last cycle the paclitaxel was reduced to 50% of the original dose. I did have other side effects but it was the neuropathy that led to the dose reduction.
My chemo was May2022-August 2022. I also had pelvic radiotherapy.
The situation now is that I have peripheral neuropathy and I try to manage it. My hands and feet have tingling, numbness and pain. It is pretty much there all the time. It sort of peaked a couple of months after chemo finished and has pretty much stayed the same since. I don't feel it has progressed at all since then.
I have been offered pain relief but am not going down that route yet. I find that walking regularly helps- anything that pumps the blood to the affected nerves, I figure has got to be beneficial. On days that I don't walk I tend to feel stiffness and more aching/numbness. Sometimes I do stumble a bit- it's a bit like when you sit on your legs, get pins and needles and try to stand up and you can't properly feel them.
My hands sometimes slip when I play the piano and sometimes my fingers sort of spasm. However the more I play the easier it becomes. I am not medically trained but from my experience it feels like I am almost training myself to play again if that makes sense .I have also started knitting- in fact anything that helps the blood flow to where the nerves are. I have also been advised to get one of those small spiky balls and to squeeze them- a sort of physio for the hands. I massage my hands (and feet) regularly. I have some fingerless gloves (for arthritis sufferers) and they have helped a bit. I also have some socks for neuropathy- compression ones- that do sort of take some of the aching away.
I have to be careful to wear shoes outside so as not to step on something and cut myself etc. When it is cold I seem to feel it more in my hands and feet so its woolly socks and gloves.
I think the best thing is to speak with your team, express your concerns and to find out if there is anything else that you can do to prevent getting any further damage and to talk about your current treatments.
In my case I was told that the paclitaxel was like the icing on the cake and it was the carboplatin that was doing the main work so that it was ok to reduce the paclitaxel and to keep the carboplatin the same. There may be options for you but your team would be the ones to talk to.
I have heard of people wearing gloves and booties during chemo to sort of ice their hands and feet but this is something that you would have to talk to your team about. I don't know how effective it may be. I do not have diabetes but do understand that that is another risk factor.
I haven't got the experience of the other medication that you are on.
I wish you well, but just wanted to say I do understand the musician bit- I felt exactly the same.
Jane
Hello Tulip
My treatment plan and cancer is the same as yours. I had week 3 of my Paclitaxel and 2nd Phesgo injection yesterday I have found the Paclitaxel and Phesgo much easier than the EC. Apart from a couple of episodes of diarrhoea after my 2nd dose, mild skin breakout and a bit of tiredness the side effects are much less. I’ve not had any changes to my nails or any numbness to fingers or toes. Hope this helps
Hi Tulip29, I was triple positive and had EC followed by Docetaxel and Phesgo. I’m now just on Phesgo. I have peripheral neuropathy in my feet which I got on the last docetaxel cycle. Since then it has started to ease and get better but at the same time I have lidocaine plaster to apply to them every night. Whilst I don’t know if the Phesgo is still continuing to cause it I will be carrying on. It does affect my walking as I can’t walk as much or as long as I used. Whilst I would like to stop I decided I would continue in hope it will prevent reoccurrence. I know it means I suffer a bit as I can’t walk for as long as I used to without it being uncomfortable but I would rather that than have to go through cancer treatment again. Whilst I know there is no guarantee I didn’t want to take a chance and not continue with the Phesgo. I think as this is made up of 2 drugs it maybe you could have just one. It would be worth checking with your oncologist.
Wishing you all the best
Hugs from cuffcake x x x x x
Dear Jane, Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. I'm so sorry to learn that you have ended up with neuropathy and that it has affected your piano playing. You have confirmed my very worst fears. In fact I know no-one in my acquaintance who has not developed neuropathy. Your advice to discuss other possible treatment options with my oncologist seems the right approach and I have drafted a letter to that effect. We will have to see what she says but I am not feeling very hopeful. Thank you again for sharing your experience. I really appreciate it. With very best wishes from Tulip
Dear Cuffcake2000, Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. I'm sorry to hear that you are experiencing neuropathy on a different drug but still a taxane so that would seem to be the dangerous ingredient. I admire your positive attitude of carrying on regardless and wish you well with your treatment. I will discuss with my oncologist as you suggest. She is rather scary and told me from the outset that if I ducked out of any part of the plan then it would make all the others invalid/a waste of time. At the start I knew nothing so just accepted everything but now I am in treatment and have experienced the mental and physical consequences I feel a bit more empowered to advocate for myself. Walking is another of my joys in life so that would be a double blow. It's a tough call choosing between quality and quantity of life. Thank you for sharing your experience and I wish you all the very best for the future from Tulip
Dear LW1, Thank you for sharing your experience of Phesgo/Paclitaxel with me. Yes I understand that EC is a tougher regime and was told that's why it's given first to get it out of the way! I'm pleased to hear that your side effects do not seem too unmanageable so far and hope that is how things continue for you. You are a small beacon of hope for me in the darkness. Sadly I already have early signs of neuropathy in my feet after two doses of EC.This ER+/HER2+ diagnosis certainly involves a long treatment plan which I find rather daunting. How do you keep your spirits up? Thanks again for your reply and I wish you all the very best with the rest of your treatment from Tulip
Good idea to put it in a letter and then you are able to get your thoughts across clearly.
If I had known what I know now- I would still have had chemo as the fear of recurrence was worse than the fear of the side effects however I would have discussed in more detail whether there were other chemotherapy options. I would not have stopped chemo.
My doses were adjusted to prevent further damage and that is worth discussing with your oncologist. In my case it was the paclitaxel that was known to cause neuropathy rather than the carboplatin the doctor said. On the positive side I can still play and it almost feels like I am retraining my hands if that makes any sense. I can attempt Einaudi again now so there is improvement. My feet bother me more than my hands and I think because I am doing so much fine motor work this is helping.
Hey there. I'm in the throws of starting lengthy treatment with that same risk. I'm type 2 diabetic and have been taking duloxetine for a number of years to help with neuropathy. Doesn't work for all but works for me
Hi, I took’ a frozen hot water bottle with me which I laid my hands on during chemo. It stayed frozen just long enough to last the first flush, the chemo, and the second flush. The nurses put a towel underneath it so I didn’t get very cold thighs! At the time, (2.5 years ago) trial data had emerged about the affects of frozen mitts. I asked my oncologist and she knew of the trial. However, as someone has said already, I think this is something to discuss with your team as you have diabetes, and maybe this isn’t advisable for you, I didnt get PN, and had 2 cycles of EC and 4 of Docetaxal. The latter is known to be a risk factor for PN. XX
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