Hi there,
My partner (48) was told earlier this month that she’d had a recurrence of the breast cancer she had in 2018 (she was given the all clear in Sept of that year). This has come as a huge shock as she has been in excellent health and as recently as mid Sept had completely clear scans, and before late October, no symptoms to suggest anything was wrong.
Her cancer has metastasised unfortunately (spine and also evidence in fluid around but not in her heart and lungs), and we’re waiting back on the outcome of biopsies and other scans so we can understand more about what happens next. We understand, however, that her cancer is now considered treatable but not curable.
I have so many questions right now (including how can someone go from no evidence of disease and fit and healthy to metastatic but asymptomatic in the space of around six weeks!) but I guess my main one is around the potential treatment options she might be given.
How can we be sure that she is offered the very best options available to her?
We understand from the oncology team that it’s usual for people with secondary breast cancer to not have as an aggressive a treatment as they did the first time, and although we don’t know the full details of her diagnosis yet (we won't until next week), it’s our understanding (based on what the team has already said) is that this is what they will very likely propose: less aggressive treatments this time.
We’re concerned that big assumptions are already being made about my partner’s wishes regarding the possibility of having a more aggressive (and potentially, but not definitely), a more successful outcome in terms or reducing the cancer in her body, than one which may not be as effective but has fewer side effects.
While in general I understand the reasons for not offering more aggressive treatments for people with secondary breast cancer, she, like everyone, is unique. She responded excellently to aggressive treatment the first time (the team said she really outperformed expectations) and her underlying health and fitness is very good.
We just want to be absolutely sure that she isn’t automatically excluded from treatment options that may benefit her. But how do we do this when you don’t even know what options exist?
Similarly, we want her to be considered for clinical trials if she’s eligible for them and it’s in her interests, if it comes to it. But how can we be sure that this will happen? There feels like there is so much trust needed between us and her treatment team right now and it’s being pushed very hard as we have more than a sneaking suspicion that they didn’t respond quickly enough to an initial concern we had back in Sept which may have led to an earlier diagnosis.
Apologies for the slightly rambling message. I also hope it’s okay to ask this question here (feel free to move my post somewhere else if that’s appropriate).
Hi James,
I know how scary and shocking this can be; I was 16 years without any symptoms of recurrence, then in March I had an inflamed liver which was painful. It turned out to be multiple tumours there and in the bones, where I have had no pain so far! Cancer is sneaky!
There are lots of treatment options, depending on the type of BC. I think it is worth researching this on reputable sites like MacMillan, breastcancer.org and breast cancer now.org. You can then have an informed discussion with the oncologist about the path ahead.
i was put on aggressive chemo regime because of my liver which only made me feel worse! Am now on medication I requested and feeling much better; have to wait for another month to see if it is working.
good luck
M
Thank you so much for responding. I wish you all success with your treatment and I hope that it gives this horrible disease a darn good kicking.
I think because we’ve been told some things and not others that we’re in this weird limbo state right now where we know enough to know it’s very serious but not so much that we know ultimately what it will mean.
My partner has evidence of tumours in her spine and fluid that was around her heart and lungs (this was the first and only thing which alerted us to any problem, the fluid has now all successfully been drained). We do not know yet if it has come back as exactly the same type of breast cancer (so a lot we need to understand) or what treatment they will offer. We had a lot of (quite unhelpful) pessimism when she and I were first told the news. This despite her not having at that point been looked at by an oncology team (she went to a regular A&E hospital when she started to feel unwell) or any biopsy analysis or full diagnosis. In short, it’s been a highly stressful last couple of weeks.
I’m sorry that you had such an intense reaction to chemo. I really hope that abated quickly.
We just really want to know what our options are because we know that despite what’s looking like a very tough diagnosis that people can get the disease under control and live for many years if the right options are found and you have that luck.
I will follow up on your website suggestions. The very best of luck and good wishes to you with your scans.
The medical recommendation would be the result of their weighing potential benefit versus potential harm. This not not about how treatment would make a patient feel, but damage to essential organs with everything that would entail. Past treatment history would be taken into account as one of the factors both when weighing damage potential but also when considering potential benefit (there is a threshold beyond which specific treatments no longer produce the same result.) Still, none of the doctors are Biblical prophets, so the good ones do listen to patients and will accommodate that patient's wishes as long as they do not feel that doing so would compromise their professional integrity.
Trust is a problem, though. Mine at the moment is non-existent, so I keep a very watchful eye and I demand even more explanations than before. Anything you don't like, don't understand or disagree with -- query it, and don't let go until you get a satisfactory explanation.
Lastly, you are absolutely correct in what you are saying regarding bringing the disease under control. Disregard the statistics because these include people whose starting points (age, existing health conditions and so on) are not as good.
Ask the doctor or the nurse where you can find literature on which clinical trials are available at the moment which may be suitable and how to make it known that she should be considered.
Thank you so much, the points you make are very helpful.
Completely understand that not all treatments can be considered on the grounds that they would do harm to internal organs. Also, of course we do not wish for my partner to go through a needlessly aggressive treatment for little benefit. I will question anything I don’t understand or am suspected of!
We do know that the place where she will be treated has good access to clinical trials, so in theory we’re in the right place. So much depends upon good communication and the sense you’re being listened to. And also that information will be volunteered (you don’t know what you don’t know).
I wish you success with your health and well-being.
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