Feeling angry

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Hello lovely community, this is my first post here. I'm not entirely sure what to expect or if I'm asking for anything in particular, more just having a rant! I'm half way through my chemo treatments (have just finished four EC and will be having four Paclitaxel). My diagnosis is stage 2 invasive ductal carcinoma breast cancer, diagnosed over the summer. I've had two surgeries (lumpectomy and tissue margins removal) and will also be having radiotherapy and hormone therapy for ten years. 

I'm very fortunate to have supportive friends and family. But, I've really had it with unhelpful, intrusive and insensitive comments, unsolicited advice, or queries that are well meaning, but ultimately serve the other person rather than me. E.g. "you look so well!" or "do you have a wig" or worse, overhearing my boyfriend's family on a call, asking how much hair I've lost and what I look like now Expressionless.

Pre-cancer I've been farly open with family and friends as to how uncomfortable it makes me for my looks to be commented upon, even when it's meant in a complimentary way. I feel strongly that how a person looks (particularly a woman) is the least interesting thing about her and following years of low self esteem, eating disorders and wasting a lot of precious time and energy focusing on this, I'm finally more free of this. I'm pretty horrified that those around me are not only hyper aware of my changing physicality, they think pushing their perception or opinons on to me is somehow useful or welcomeConfounded 

Has anyone else experienced this, and how have you found best to deal with this? I'm shocked that anyone who supposedly knows me well, would broach these topics, rather than being led by me on what I want to talk about/focus on.  

  • Hi , welcome to the forum, a great place to rant!! And for support and shared experiences. This is a recurrent topic - the crass, uninvited, unwelcome, idiotic things that people say!! For some reason a cancer diagnosis seems to awake some really rubbish responses from some people. I’m sure others will pop in to agree and possibly give examples. I can’t remember details of my own share of crass comments but I absolutely remember that there were many! It’s astonishing. And anger inducing. Hopefully you feel a bit better for saying it! Love and hugs, HFxx

    HappyFeet1 xx
    Don’t be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts. – Hopi
  • I hear you absolutely … a friend I hadn’t heard from sent me a big long message describing in great detail of a family member dying .. then said this isn’t meant to upset you it’s meant to remind you to be vigilant .. I’m at the beginning of treatment and feeling scared and low what on earth would make someone be so insensitive ? So absolutely and there is that awareness of ppl assessing how you look .. I’ve lost weight ( that I need to ) because of the shock not because I was so unwell but we can feel self conscious enough without people assessing us .. your post will be so pertinent to so many of us … I hope you are feeling ok and good you are getting through your treatment .. I too was diagnosed over summer grade two lobular , ductal and tubular and one macro in one out of two sentinel lymph nodes.. I am prepping for radiotherapy have started on letrozole and not sure if I need chemo yet … they aren’t doing a clearance as they say radiation will kill anything in axilla .. but my nerves are in tatters so yes unhelpful

    commemts from “friends “

    are very upsetting … I’ve had other things said I can’t even repeat because I wdnt want to trigger anyone .. but truly unbelievable .. I wish you well with your treatment .. also am I the only one that bristles at the term “journey “

    ?!!! 

  • Hello HappyFeet (love the name btwPenguin).

    Thank you so much for your lovely response. I felt a little negative after posting, so your swift response was a very welcome relief Yellow heart

    Ah yes, the many, many crass comments! I think much of it comes from people not knowing what to say and sitting in a space with you, without filling it with noise, is too uncomfortable. Which I can understand...but when you have many people doing this to you, the burden of all those comments falls on you to 'manage' and we have enough to manage already!

    The immediate response (I know is all too common also), is the endless stories of who they know with cancer, what cancer, how their hair is now, blah blah as though this is helpful to me. All it does is make me feel unheard when I am being vulnerable in sharing painful stuff with them. On reflection, I think one of these stories was helpful to me, the other 50+ not so much Sweat smile.

    Thank you for sharing about the Hopi! - fascinating reading on the peaceful ones RelaxedI am a big crier, but always a good reminder it's ok to do so Xx

  • Dear Beckynervous, I'm so sorry to hear you had to deal with that kind of message from a friend Slight frown that sounds incredibly upsetting.

    Thank you for saying my message was helpful. I felt very whingey doing so, but have reached the point where I feel like I can't rely on some friends that I hoped I would be able to throughout this 'journey' (I am with you there! I found 'process' to be a little less cringey Thinking..)

    I can really relate to feeling scared and low at the beginning of treatment, and that is so understandable. It's really sad to hear how friend's words can make it feel even more frightening - I experienced something similar. A friend took it upon themselves to 'educate' themselves via the internet rabbit hole (something I'd told them I actively wasn't doing) on all the horrible side effects I might experience and tell me all about them, including how hair loss happens (something I expressed feeling worried about). How they thought this might be helpful to me is beyond me...

    People commenting on weight loss (or gain) I think will always be a bug bear of mine! As we know, there can be endless reasons for it, it's a small measure of what is happening for someone and focusing on the external is so rarely helpful to supporting how someone may be feeling on the inside. I think that's why the 'you look so well' is particularly annoying to me. It kind of denies me the space to freely say if I'm feeling rubbish inside or not. I'e also had invisible illnesses most of my life, so a lifelong annoyance that seems even more prevalent now Sweat smile

    Do you have other support around you that is proving helpful? I really hope you have some more solid, safe places you can lean on during this time Purple heart

    I'm getting through treatment ok thank you Two hearts. The first three chemo's were tough side effects wise, but I feel much better now than I so far, now in this fourth cycle. Trying to take one moment at a time, check in with my body, see what she needs, has been really helpful. I had a little goal each day to get out for a walk, however short, and doing that each day has helped me massively mentally. Even though it's felt like a mountain to climb at times, it's been worth it for me. A nurse told me exercise really helps chemo to work better, so that's been a great motivator to keep in mind too.  

    I know it's different for everyone, but I found the build up to starting treatment was the scariest time for me. The anticipation and all those 'what if's' and unknowns was s so overwhelming and isolating. Once I actually started, it felt better to be moving along rather than sitting on the huge precipice of the unknown. I truly hope this may be a similar experience for you. 

    Do you find anything helps soothes your nerves at all? May be a silly question, but I hope there's some little things you might be finding helpful at this really challenging and scary time. Sending many hugs your way and always here to listenKissing heart Xx

  • Am so glad you are adjusting to the chemo and feeling better as you move through it .. you are so right about the waiting I keep counting the days to treatment and am desperately trying to get the radiotherapy bought forward as the delays can’t be safe it could already have spread … yes people do say such stupid things .. most of my friends have been so good but a couple have surprisingly disappeared which is apparently a thing to .. maybe thei think they might catch it .. well one was an aquaintance so not so surprising .. I guess people can’t help it .you are very right about exercise I’ve never been a big exerciser but going for a walk is so beneficial and I love that . If I don’t go it definitely compounds the anxiety . I am an artist but haven’t oak tied since my diagnoses in early August which is awful and I must begin again .. I think it has been the shock … I do think forums like this are great . At first I was looking at the wrong ones and scaring myself even more .. but when you find the right ones it is so much better … do keep in touch it’s good to have the camaraderie x