Cows milk

My daughter vegan and very anti diary as she says it’s full of artificial chemicals and hormones.  Hormones given to cows to keep them producing milk when nature would have stopped them.  Plus the cows produce stress hormones because of their life style.  I have to admit I was horrified by what she showed me and it has put me off diary though I still have two cups of tea a day with cows milk in.

I’ve tried soy, almond etc .  Oat is the best , the skinny one from Tesco my favourite and I’m seriously considering going diary free .  I don’t eat yogurts but I hate vegan cheese so will struggle to give up.  

I have eaten soy mince multiple times a week for at least 30 years as I’m not a fan of meat.  My cancer was not hormone related. 

I think hormones/chemicals in food impacts us more if natural or artificially occurring.  A lot of vegan substitutes are man made chemical concoctions!  Not healthy.  

okay I can't find it but the logic goes like this

just as a mother who is breast feeding needs to eat a balanced healthy varied diet to make sure her milk is of good quality for her baby's growth and development, same goes for cows.

Our intensive farming methods have largely ruined the quality of the cows milk widely and cheaply available, it's still nutritious and a bowl of cereal with milk does provide a reasonable breakfast but

The milk from organic grass fed cattle will be better, it's also slightly different in the same way milk varies by region and by breed. 

I can't find the damn article but it was to do with calcifications and a lot of us will have been told that we have or had calcifications as part of our diagnosis for breast cancer and this enzyme or whatever it was prevented this build up somehow.

I was sure I'd book marked it because it sounded like, if you could stick to grass fed organic milk you'd never get breast cancer, wouldn't that be marvellous !!  so I started buying grass fed organic for my daughter as she does quite like milk, I only drink it in tea or coffee, unless I'm trying to up my B vitamins with a bowl of cereal.

I was trying to make sure I'd got enough vitamins by diet alone since my kidneys didn't like the bulking agents in pills but failing that cereal enhanced with multivitamins seemed harmless enough. 

Here's an article from the dietician. 

https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/the-new-guidelines-on-vitamin-d-what-you-need-to-know/

here's one article which is about the benefits and differences of grass fed beef

https://www.farmdrop.com/blog/grass-fed-vs-grain-fed-beef-difference/

and a book by two doctors, both had breast cancer. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Guide-Breast-Cancer-Empowered/dp/1785041878

The quote I like best is getting breast cancer is not your fault, the biggest factors are that you are a woman and you're getting older, neither fact you can do anything about.

hugs to all

Carolyn

xx

I find all the conflicting advice very depressing.

My oncologist suggested that I restrict or preferably give up alcohol! But no more than 5 units a week. Limit dairy and red meat, which I get and is no problem as I like a varied diet.  BUT that I add  flaxseeds to my diet to help with the problems caused by chemo on my bowels.......go figure! 

While I am not a big drinker, 5 a week is not a lot......

Anyone else had the same advice?

Sue

This all rings scary bells when my hubs was first diagnosed with diabetes, many years ago, got told the latest ‘ideas’ like only one egg a week. A few months later, as many eggs as wished! 

I suspect nobody ‘really’ knows? Perhaps eat and drink in moderation should be the answer ‘a little of what you fancy’......

Hugs xxx

I agree entirely! I have always eaten a wide variety of food, cooked from scratch, limited processed, cake and biscuits. So feel that I should just carry on and perhaps only have one glass of wine whenn I would have had two. DH is delighted that he now has a permanent driver!

Sue

Thank you everyone for your replies and for the links, am going to start reading them this afternoon.

I suppose ultimately we all have to do what is best for us and try and be as healthy as you can but have the odd treat! Whilst I have been on chemo however I have just eaten whatever I felt like ..but craving things like tomatoes and red meat! All very odd as we normally only eat meat Once a week and I don't drink at all really. Perhaps 5 or 6 units a year...yes you read that correctly!

Got some oat milk today and had that with my cereal and actually it's rather nice. Need to see what it is like in my tea!

Right ..off to read all those links now :-)

HI 

I seem to recall being told to reduce the amount of dairy I had.  I did loads of research about best foods /drinks etc as I am vegetarian (but I'm not 'into' proper food - I lived on fruit, pizzas, chips and pot noodles!) I also do enjoy alcohol and used to have a glass of wine a night...

I decided (as others have said) that the cows are hormone fed, it didn't make sense to drink hormones when taking a hormone inhibitor, so I drink oat milk.  I do have one proper yoghurt a day as it is good for gut bacteria.  I always try and have broccoli every day now too as can't remember why, but it came high on my list when I did my research.   I avoid processed food and tend to have lots of veg - I seem to recall that 'plenty of different colours' was the advice for veg.    I had actually seen a nutrition expert at the hospital previously because I'd been referred from my doctors because of my limited diet and the NHS eat healthy is a good guide really.  I put turmeric in my water when boiling the veg and I drink green tea now. Since having BC, I've gone from the most unhealthiest diet to being amazingly healthy.   (Excluding the alcohol as I do enjoy my 14 units a week - and I had my first annual come back clear last June).

Best wishes,

HI

Now I'm on my home computer, I've uploaded the spreadsheet where I did loads and loads of research when I was first diagnosed.

I'm not medically qualified, so don't take it as totally accurate, it's just what I researched online.  https://community.macmillan.org.uk/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/38/List-of-vitamins-and-foods.xls

lesleyhelen thanks so much for the excel spreadsheet (woman after my own heart!!) It's brill and quite frankly is a good reminder to include as Many of these things in your diet as possible. Having fresh fruit and veg has got to be a good thing! I have been making loads of veg soups lately which are perfect for.cramming in as many veg as possible. 

Thanks so much for sharing this. I really appreciate it xx