Bowel problems and flatulence following radical cysectomy

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My husband had a radical cysectomy at the beginning of September and we're having to adjust to the changes. His recovery appears to be going well, he's much stronger than when he came home from hospital, his appetite is increasing and the stoma is settling down. The main problems he has are with his bowels. The urge to go can be very strong but, when he gets to the toilet, it often turns out just to be wind. He can't distinguish between wind and a genuine movement. When he gets the urge to go, he can't afford any delay in case it isn't wind; indeed he's had a few small 'accidents'.  Also, when he does pass a motion, it is usually followed by a second about 10 or 15 mins later and then a third after a further 10-15 mins. This means he can't go anywhere in the morning until he's sure that he's had his morning motions. The thought of being caught short whilst out of the house weighs on his mind.

All this bowel activity causes him discomfort and pain in his backside. He often finds it sore sitting down and will resort to lying on the sofa to take the weight off his sore rear end.

And then there's the flatulence . . . the smells this generates are particularly noxious. Mostly, this can be confined to the bathroom but the odours do creep out into the rest of the house which is very unpleasant. It bothers him at night in the bedroom when the atmosphere can become quite pungent. I've been sleeping in the spare room but hoping to get back in with him once he was feeling better but there is no way I could cope with the noxious fumes he generates at the moment.

Oh dear, that all sounds very plaintive. We are hugely grateful to the medical team who diagnosed and operated on my husband. Without the operation in September, he doubts whether he would have seen Christmas at the rate the bladder cancer was spreading. So we are keen to make the most of life now that he's been given this chance.

What I'd like to know is:,

Are these bladder and flatulence problems common after a radical cysectomy?
Will things settle down in time or will he have to learn to live with some level of discomfort?
Does anyone have any hints/tips/remedies for easing his discomfort and/or reducing the flatulence?

And finally, he will be starting a course of chemotherapy in November. Will this have any effect on his bladder problems?

  • Early days yet - bowels can be very erratic at first, so this does sound normal for the first few months. Mine varied in consistency, frequency & urgency. I was told that there can be long term changes, usually towards looseness. Mine have settled pretty much near normal, although it often seems to take longer/more of an effort to completely empty. Some foods can upset my guts & send me rushing to the loo soon after a meal. I am convinced I have more fruity flatulence & sometimes I realise that a bout of this is signalling need for a bowel movement. You get to learn the new normal. 

    It's worth monitoring to see if diet affects the odour & it's important to keep up with the fluids. Perhaps room deodorisers would help? Sorry I haven't any better suggestions, but hope things do settle down better in due course. I had neobladder & had to tailor my excursions round toilet visits - a nuisance at first, but eventually managed to integrate new toilet habits into my daily activities. Might be worth getting some incontinence pads for reassurance?

    I don't know if the chemo will have any effect, someone else might be able to comment on that.

    • Hi,I’ve had a lot of bowel problems and wind since my op in September 2019.I also have a stoma.A couple of days after the surgery I got the common complication of Paralytic Ileus where the bowel stops working.When I saw the surgeon he said it takes about 6 months for the bowels to settle down and he was right in my case.I’m going normally again but mostly in the evening.I can’t offer any advice I’m afraid but things should settle down with time.I certainly had the sore behind,it’s much better now but it was very painful.May be the stoma team could offer some suggestions to help ? Hopefully someone who has also had chemo will be along to advise.Love Jane x
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    FormerMember in reply to winkers60

    Thanks, Jane. It's reassuring to learn that things should settle down in time and that others have had similar discomfort (that sounds wrong but you know what I mean).

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    FormerMember in reply to Teasswill

    Thanks, Teasswill. I'll try to keep track of how diet affects him, perhaps persuade him to keep a diary. One sad thing we've noticed so far is that a glass of red wine in the evening seems to lead to very loose stools in the morning.

  • Forgive my intrusion as not a cystectomy  patient or carer. Would it be worth asking the medical team if it is OK to take gut friendly bacteria capsules to help restore normal gut flora? Sure this would help if it is allowed.

    And on anti-pong remedies; I use a repurposed pump spray bottle [duly relabelled]. I put about a cm of water in then maybe 30 drops of pure lavender oil. Give a jolly good shake each time before spraying to mix the oil and water. Spray high into the air so the droplets work as they drift down, and or anywhere air circulates, or spray, then fan vigorously by whirling a towel held in your hand by two corners. No nasty chemicals which are in many bought air fresheners and pretty effective [though when we had a smoking lodger I swore by Neutradol gel if you can get it]

    Hoping this is of some help, 

    Denby

  • I now have the image of a whirling dervish in my mind Joy

    Martyn. 
  • Hello Talisker

    I had chemo before my cystectomy. It certainly was a period of highs and lows, one day like concrete, the next like water. I was taking Lactulose and Immodium regularly as the steroid pills we get to off set the nausea do play havoc with the bowel. It took about two years for the occasional bottom dribble to stop and can be quite distressing/damned annoying but he will get the hang of it in time. I noticed that red wine really did give me the sloppies so I've cut right back on that too (I drink white mostly now instead!)

    The pressure of constipation and the rush of diarrhea gave me piles and passing anything felt like broken glass so I recommend Sudocrem for the sore anus but you may wish to allow him to apply to himself.

    I recommend also that he drinks more water or weak juice as it helps to soften the stools, eat porridge as it binds the fecal matter, avoid too much root and cabbage related veg and fizzy drinks to tackle the gas - I was known to clear a room but it's ok now.

    Here's a copy of the Bristol Stool Chart, always useful so you can describe accurately if asked by a medic.

    If you'd like some tips about what to expect from the chemo, let me know.

    CB.

    I may appear to be listening but in my head I'm all at sea. 

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    FormerMember in reply to Crustybladder

    Thanks for the info, CB. So far constipation hasn't been a problem; stools are towards the other end of the scale. Reassuring to hear that things have (eventually) got better for you.

    Yes, any tips that might help with the chemo would be welcome.

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    Sounds pretty much like my a**e in normal circumstances Eyes

  • The chemo nurses should brief you on what to expect and provide a treatment record book that lists the side effects and who to contact for information and in an emergency.

    We all react differently to it and in my case after the first 8 hour session it wiped me out for 10 days. Cisplatin made me feel very ill, chronically tired and nauseous though the anti nausea pills stopped me throwing up. I know that others like Rily had very little side effects.

    Just when you start to recover you are back in for the next session so expect to feel at least tired if not grim for three months. You can get metal mouth when everything tastes foul but sweeter and very savoury foods were ok for me. You need to increase the protein in your diet to help the body repair itself. Constipation can be a problem so the medics ought to provide a gentle liquid laxative but get some Immodium in case the opposite applies.

    Hygiene is very important as the immune system will be damaged by the chemo and with Covid19 still presenting a threat, avoid busy public places, people with colds, children generally and wash hands frequently especially before eating. Phlebitis is a common side effect as the Gemcitabin irritates the veins so watch out for hot lumps on hands and wrists, get to your GP pdq if that happens as he will need antibiotics.

    Buy a thermometer to check body temperature at least daily and record it in the treatment booklet. And then there is numbness in the feet, my toes are still numb after four years. On the bright side, no insect tried to bite me during my chemo.

    I expect the medics will provide pre-dosed hypodermic jabs of bone marrow enhancer so you can administer these yourself. Tip: pinch a lump of belly skin really hard then stab it in the lump and press the plunger, remove the hypodermic then rub the stab site hard. It takes a bit of courage to do it the first time but it's a great sense of achievement later.

    CB

    I may appear to be listening but in my head I'm all at sea.