Where do I go from here?

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Hello all. My name is Steve, 71 years old, and this is my first post here.

Back in July I had  a single episode of haematuria. I called for a GP appointment next day and the wheels started turning very rapidly. Long story short, I was diagnosed with bladder CIS and prostate cancer (Gleason 3+4).  Having both conditions requiring treatment makes it rather complicated. It was decided that I should go on hormone therapy to keep the prostate cancer in check while undergoing BCG for the bladder. I finished the induction course of BCG on Nov 20, expecting the follow-up blue light cystoscopy to be six weeks later. Instead, due to staff availability issues it didn't take place until yesterday, nearly five weeks late. The preliminary outcome (pending histology and an MDT meeting) is that it doesn't look great. Instead of one smallish patch of CIS I now have two patches, both biopsied. I'm expecting full results in 2-3 weeks.

In my chat with the consultant afterwards, she suggested that I might be offered another course of BCG as it sometimes works better second time round. Does anyone have any experience of this?

I'm now four months into the hormone therapy and getting a bit nervous about how long that will have to continue, given its long term effects on bones, muscles and heart. The other side effects I can tolerate. The trouble is, that every delay in getting the bladder sorted lengthens the time on hormone therapy.

I've been offered either prostatectomy or radiotherapy for my prostate cancer, but I feel that the likelihood of requiring bladder surgery is sufficiently high that radiotherapy is inadvisable, given that cystectomy would then entail salvage surgery, with additional risks. Obviously, if I require cystectomy, then my prostate goes along with it.

At the moment I'm very uncertain as to what happens next. While I understand that everyone's situation is different I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone whose experience is similar.

In the meantime, I hope that the extreme urgency and leakage following yesterday's rigid cystoscopy settle down soon. 50ml a time and impossible to hold on  while painful to try ain't my idea of fun.

  •  . Hi Steve and a warm welcome to the group. We know how difficult it can be in the limbo period waiting for results. It sounds as though there are several options for you depending on the results. Once you get your results, you will be in a better place. The urgency following a TURBT should subside as the days pass, but it is important to keep taking on plenty of water to keep debris flushed out. Best wishes

    Best wishes to All,   rily.

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  • Hi Steve75794,Welcome to our supportive group.I hope you will find it helpful.I’m sorry your TURBT has caused some issues.Hopefully the symptoms will lessen with time and plenty of fluids.Best wishes Jane 

  • Thanks rily and Jane. Yes, I'm keeping well hydrated. This one's caught me a bit by surprise compared with the first one and the six induction BCGs. It's not so much the limbo that's my problem as wanting to get as much info/opinions before the meeting/phone call. This way I can be more prepared with questions and more prepared to make decisions.

  • Hopefully you will not be pressured into making a snap decision when you get results, but if there are options, you will be given some time to consider. My thoughts would be that CIS is especially risky for recurrence & progression (to muscle invasive). So IF the new patches are CIS, and you want best chance of cure, I would be asking about more aggressive treatment eg bladder removal. 

    Although BCG can delay recurrence and progression, it only cures in the long term in about 30% cases. I was told that about 50% patients having BCG will still need surgery (or chemo-radiotherapy) at a later date. That's a gamble which you might be happy with, taking into account your personal circumstances.

    I used to go armed with info and questions to ask, assuming a certain position, but nearly always blindsided by some other info/option from the consultant. In general, you want to know risks & benefits of each option, pros & cons, side effects and prospects for cure. Best wishes.

  • Hi

    Welcome to this very supportive group, you've done the right thing by coming on here, so please feel free to ask anything no matter how silly it may seem.

    Now, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2017, at the age of 58. I underwent a RC, where it was discovered that I also had prostate cancer 3/4 Gleeson (if I remember rightly, I don't go back looking at old records) post surgery. I have a few stumbles, which I won't go into, but by and large I haven't looked back. My PSA levels have remained at.02 and I'm seven years on. 

    From what I know, hormone treatment is quite successful, as is radiotherapy, but looking back I'm glad I had surgery. Yes, you have to adjust, but it's not as bad as you may think and the check ups are less.

    I hope there are no further delays and wishing you the best. Please don't be a stranger.

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    1.    Steve - Teasswill makes a very important point here please bear this in mind. Similar advice helped me on my path to a cure. Leo
  • Good point

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  • Thank you Teaswill, Ian and Leo. All good information, which is very much appreciated,

    Communication seems to be a bit of an issue at my local centre, Initially I saw a CNS who seemed very good. Later I saw a surgeon who is a man of very few words. Finally, and at the end of my induction BCG, I saw the radiotherapy team who are in a different hospital. It doesn't seem to be very joined up. This is another reason why I find your contributions so useful.

  • Anytime

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  • Although BCG can delay recurrence and progression, it only cures in the long term in about 30% cases. I was told that about 50% patients having BCG will still need surgery (or chemo-radiotherapy) at a later date.

    Hi Teasswill, are sure these figures are right? Only 3 out of 10 have long term success, and half will still need surgery or radiotherapy? A bit worrying…