Dad has delayed his palliative chemo

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Hi,

My 78 year old dad was diagnosed with stage 4 stomach cancer in November (more information written in my profile). They said it is through most of his stomach and also the top of his oesophagus.

He doesn't want to know his prognosis, but from what I have researched, it's not good. 

They offered him palliative chemo, which he had his first round off just over 4 weeks ago. He didnt have terrible side effects, a few days of nausea and fatigue. 

He was due his second round of chemo Thursday last week, but the day before he experienced bleeding from his bottom and had tarry stools, and had been feeling dizzy that day and the day before, and got admitted to hospital. It was the tumour was bleeding, so they cancelled the chemo and gave him radiation treatment to stop the bleeding.

He was in hospital for 5 days and was just left in his bed for most of that time.

When he came out of hospital he was feeling weaker because his haemoglobin count had reduced due to the bleeding and he jadnt used his legs much over the last 5 days. 

Before his diagnosis he already had issues walking as he has arthritis in his knees.

But the hospital phoned him on Tuesday just gone (2 days after he was discharged) to say they had booked him in for chemo next week. I was so happy that they thought he was well enough to start treatment again. I spoke to his macmillan nurse that day as well and she said the dr had reviewed things and thought he was well enough to carry on. She also said the bleed of the tumour is quite common, and wouldn't effect his prognosis.

But my dad suffers with chronic anxiety and he told me that he doesnt think he is strong enough to do the chemo as he cant walk very far and he gets out of breath.. I phoned the Macmillan nurse again and the chemo department to ask if they could arrange support for him mobility wise for his chemo appointment, and then said that could be arranged.

However, my dad's oncologist phoned him for a review yesterday before commencing chemo. I could only hear what my dad was saying  and to start with it sounded like the oncologist thought he was okay to go ahead, but my dad then told him he felt too weak and couldn't walk up stairs. So the dr has cancelled it! 

My concern is that my dad's anxiety is making him think he is worse than he is. Yesterday morning he had a blood test booked and he was worried he wouldnt be able to walk into the surgery. But he did...there is long winding ramp and he walked up that. He even said he was worried that when he got into the nurse's room he would be really out of breath, but he said he wasnt.

Also, he hasnt even tried walking up any stairs. I have been making him walk to the front and back of the house, and he did 7 laps of that in one go yesterday, so I really do feel he is strong enough, he is just letting his anxiety get the better of him, which has led him to cancel his treatment.

The oncologist also said to him that the chemo might not even be doing any good for him, as there is only a 30% chance it will work. I never knew the outcome was so low, but I guess that is still almost a one in 3 chance of prolonging his life.

We were waiting from a call back from the oncologist yesterday if he had received his blood results, but we never received it. The oncologist also suggested a blood transfusion to get his strength back up. That would be great, but this is also taking time and delatkng his next treatment, which is already a week and a half late.

I'm so worried and I dont know what to do.

Does anyone have any advice?

And also, does anyone have any success stories of chemo working at this late stage of stomach cancer? I know it cant be cured, but I want the spread to be put on hold for as long as possible.

I love my dad so much. I want him here as long as possible. xx

  • Hi Link

    Welcome to the forum, I notice that you have posted a similar question in the stomach cancer forum, and it is great to see that you received an earlier response  there. 

    I am sorry that your Dad has this diagnoisis, and also that he has had a bleed which has caused a delay in treatment, I can to a degree understand how frightening this is for both Dad and you. 

    I think there a few things that could be considered here, like, how is Dad doing now? certainly it has been over a week since your post and things are known to change quite quickly at times..  

    Treatments work differently on different people, there are so many varieties and strengths that is is difficult to give advice in situations like this.  My Dad sadly did not have good results from radiotherapy for stomach cancer, but then others have had great result.  My husband has Oesophageal cancer with Mets in several areas but he is in on Chemo and targetted therapy, and has amazed his oncologist on how well he is doing ... other's have not been so lucky, there is no true advise that I can give you, but it may be something to put forward to the Ask A Nurse Team  which will open again tomorrow. 

    I am sorry for the delay in responding here. 

    Take Care 

    Lowe'

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  • Hi Lowe,

    Thank you so much for your reply.

    I had a reas through your profile, and I am so sorry that you have had so many people in your life affected by cancer. I really admire your strength in getting through it all, and I'm pleased to hear that your husband is responding well to treatment.

    We had a call from my dad's oncologist last Monday and they said my dad's haemoglobin was improving. 

    He has chemo booked for tomorrow, which is his second round, which is 2 and a half weeks late. I asked the oncologist if it would have been better for my dad to have the chemo last week, but the oncologist said it was better to have that week for my dad to build his strength up.

    My dad has been going for short walks and is able to walk up the stairs now. I think the stay in hospital just being left in his bed for 5 days made him feel weaker.

    I'm really hoping this chemo works. I'm dreading the next scan to find out if it is working or not. I dont know how I will cope if it isnt working. My dad said this is the only thing they can offer, but my brother, who was in his initial oncology appointment, said the oncologist said if the chemo doesnt work there are other things they can do, but that he would discuss that if it came to it.

    I've read a bit about immunotherapy, but that this isn't often used for stomach cancer, but I'm wondering if that is something that will be offered to my dad. 

    I live 45 minutes away from my parents, but I keep coming down and staying with them when I can. But it makes my dad worry that I am neglecting my boyfriend who I live with. I'm finding it hard to concentrate at work as well where I am a manager and responsible for over 20 staff, and I'm moving house in a few weeks. I am finding it quite hard to deal with everything and just feel so overwhelmed.

    Sorry, I think I rambled a bit there. I'm just so worried about my dad and spend my whole life at the moment feeling heartbroken and depressed. I cry a lot and keep thinking about life without him, and about my mum being on her own. I wish I could just make him better. Xx

  • You know Link, all those emotions and feelings that you are going through just highlights the Love you have for your Dad, and it also shows to me, that you're focused in many ways on the potential negative of the situation...  This is something that I did for a long time, I also have flashing moments now when I doubt the amount of time me and Dal have left. It is normal to have those types of feelings, it is part of the process to cry over an imagined loss of someone so important, but what really is important is that you Try to bring the positivity back.  I do not for a moment mean that you should pretend this is not what it is, but the marvellous thing about treatments these days is that they are more specific to each person and less damaging to the body.  Some people like Dal will react extremely well, and others, like my Brother in Law may not. But for your Dad, hang on to that hope, live for the day, involve him in it, even if that is just a phone call.  Remember, the power that we hold as individuals is to be able to send positivity and light to others when healing is needed, focus on doing that for Dad. 

    When Dal was diagnosed neither My Dad nor Brother in Law was ill, we have learnt that none of us are promised tomorrow, and every day should be a blessing..  I do hope that your Dad manages his treatment well, and that those feelings that you have engulfing you at this time start to edge away, allowing you both the laughter and the love that life should bring.

    I say all this remembering that when Dal was diagnosed the bottom fell out of my world and I had some climbing out of my own to do, and this is why I say, what you are experiencing is normal... Stay strong Link. we are here for you if you ever need to chat. 

    Lowe'

    Call the helpline for free on 08088080000, 8am to 8pm everyday.
    Tomorrow is not promised but it always has potential. Aim for your potential!