Are friends and family ever enough?

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Andrew, who began this thread, sadly died in September 2008, but his friends wished that his thread remain open in his memory, particularly to promote Andrew's idea of 'dancing away cancer' each Friday at 3pm. Please feel free to post your dance tunes every Friday in his memory.


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Hello everyone,

this is my topic to start and its a question that has been burning around the back of my mind for the last few days.

I always thought that having a small group of very close friends was enough for anyone, ok you always have work colleagues and other acquaintances but the main group of my friends has remained within a steady little group of five people for nigh on the last twenty years. We have shared almost, if not all, of what life can show you over that period and nothing has every served to tear us very far apart for long.

There have always times when partners/other friends/own family have been more important to us and always been times when we are more important to each other and perhaps have taken some of this for granted and assumed that it will always be thus. I have reached the opinion that I have for certain.

Then you get cancer! Things change I suppose but I have cancer and all of a sudden things are important to me that weren't before and they have an impact on others which were not anticipated.

First I need to say that my friends have been great through this initial part of my illness and there is nothing to say that this position is going to change immediately - rather its me that seems to be changing and not them. I am having doubts about my ability to cope with what is happening to me and what may happen in the immediate future, I am doubting my friends willingness to hear what I have to say when they ask that questions each day "How are you?", I don't want to say "OK thanks" each time when I am not OK,

I want to say "it bloody hurts" and "I don't feel well at all" and "I think its really unfair that I have this disease and you don't" (that one really stings in your head and even if its not at all true, sometimes you can't help yourself thinking it even fleetingly).

Then after that I get guilty about having the disease and having those bad thoughts that seem to go along with it all. I keep thinking that I am asking too much of them now in terms of emotional and physical help and what if their well runs dry later when I need them even more than I do now and they have nothing left to give me. Then I think that that is a really selfish "me, me me" attitude to have and that gets me really down - can you be guilty about a guilty thought which in itself is only a selfish thought about feeling guilty - just how big a knot is that one to unravel.

Anyway before I drive all away completely with this "hymn to the depressed" that brings around the original thought I had;

- can you use up and wear out your friends and family with this thing before you need them most?

Thanks for reading (if you managed to get through the dirge without laughing too much) and any thoughts are appreciated.

Cheers

Andrew



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    Betty

    I always loved Fleetwood Mac - Landslide

    if you can find that it would be brillant - especially the live version from a few years ago.

    Bless you if you can

    Andrew
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    oooohhh thats better a cup of decent coffee , from my cafetiere ...lovely !!!

    ready to face the day now after my splashing ...............it had a price though !!!....tweaked my flipping ankle !!!....i broke it 6 years ago and had to have a 5 inch titanium plate put in it and it just doesnt move the same !!!!

    im a bionic woman !!!!!!

    well off to do my chores and wake my lovely fella up now , watching the footie later and then more studying ...yuck !!!!

    suexxxxxxxxxx

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    Thats it - you are a superstar at this

    Spaz

    Cheers

    Andrew
    xx
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    Sue, just remeber the pay riose after the study - lol

    rock on with your books.

    Exec

    Andrew
    xx
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    its doing my 'head ' in andrew !!!!.............writing about 'sleep and autism ' and the word sleep alone makes me tired !!!!............i have to write about the 'normal' to demonstrate the 'abnormal ' ............and i have decided there is no normal !!!

    my neighbour thinks im a class one nutter , with all my spontaneous demonstrations !!!!
    yesterday to get rid of all my pooey feelings once and for all , i found a load of old crockery and went outside and proceeded to smash it all against the wall , saying very rude names as i did it !!!..very satisfying !!!!!!
    my fella shakes his head with 'pity' at my ' losing it ' moments .

    i just feel its 'normal' !!!!!!


    suexxxxxxxxxx
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    My spelling is appaling at times - lol.

    I love that song, I have no idea why. I sing it to myself when I am skiing and looking at the beautiful snowscapes in the mountains. It reminds me now of cold blue days gliding along in the peace and quiet.

    No noise other than the swoosh of my skis on the snow. The air cold and crisp and steaming out of my mouth. The white of the snow against the blue of the sky against the green of the trees - can anything be more perfect than that?

    My goodness I have missed that this year! I really must get better enough to go next year. lunching outdoors in minus temperatures but basking in the sunshine. Simple food in the mountains and a good bottle of wine. Shared with friends but still just for you. Something to bliss up your life for moments at a time and those moments last forever in your memory so they become eternal.

    I once read a line from a song that sticks with me still and seems appropriate for many times and places;

    "like a tear that hangs inside your soul forever"

    that line is with me for many things but mainly for the future for my friends, because I hope it doesn't come true! No-one should mourne forever, life is just too short for that.

    Gosh, I have wandered on a bit there haven't I, Many apologies, I didn't mean to, just a bit of my version of "On The Road", write it down instead of letting the thoughts dissipate in to space. Probably not as poetic as the original but the thoughts are mine own at least.

    Back to here and now,

    have a great sunday on me,

    Andrew


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    andrew ............dont ever apologise for being eloquent , your description of being transported somewhere else because of words or a song is beautiful ........

    thats the lovely thing about music , it suits the mood at any given time and evokes memories and images , to soothe the soul .
    i would lost without my music or my books ...........they take my mind of things .

    one of the lines from a fleetwood mac song ' oh iiiiiiiiiiii wanna be with you everywhere/ or is it everyway? ' ................to me evokes images of friendship and love .

    see you later alligator !!!
    suexxxxxxxxxxx
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    Sue,

    Thats a "cracking" (pardon the pun) of going about things, I love it and are you part Greek at all - lol.

    And you are right, there is no "normal" behaviours, only normal for the circumstances they are exhibited within. If you try the thesaurus you may get some better examples to use, maybe appropriate could be substituted occaisionally.

    Trouble is by the time you have explained the use of the words the whole point of the thing may be so obscure that your reader has forgotten what the subject matter was in the first place.

    I think I would write the piece using whichever word comes first to your mind and then on the first proof read change some and so on through your editing until you are happy with the balance. You can always edit too much though so I wouldn't worry too much or go too far.

    I have used this technique in the past purely so i can ghet my thoughts down as a primary concern and then look at the language. if you try to do them both ot the same time, or edit as you go, you will drive yourself mad as you know.

    I hope it goes better next tiome around and you get it finished.

    Andrew#
    xx



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    i had a 'cracking 'time !!!! to be sure !!!!!...............no greek !!! but i do have a yearning for ireland from somewhere in my soul !!!!

    your suggestions are spot on , the word appropriate is a good one to use ..........as unknowingly you didnt know that , that is the 'buzz' word i use a lot with my clients ..........e.g. that was not appropriate behaviour , or that was an inappropriate response to the situation .

    i always do a rough draft , hand written as my thought processes flow better that way and i do a 'mind map' with ideas on it , then finally i tweek it together and type it up on the computer , and cut and paste accordingly .

    despite being having a 'dotty ' side to me , i can do 'appropriate ' stuff and be an adult when the occasion requires it !!!!!!!!!!..........boring though !!!!!


    to quote shirley conran from the book 'superwoman ............... ' life is to short for stuffing mushrooms ! '

    suexxxxxxxxx

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    I always liked that quote - I wonder what the circumstances she said it were.

    So, really great minds think and do alike then, we go about the same problem with the same solution. I feel vindicated - lol.

    Sorry to be a bit up my own a**e there for a bit. You are an adult after all and don't ghet where you are without having a modicum of brain and gumption do you!!

    Sorry, but I do get carried away sometimes.

    and i am conscious I am probably now ghetting in your way of actually doing this thing you need to do - lol

    Andrew
    xx