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Hello people,  I am a carer for my husband.  He has Asperger’s which always complicates things.  He has a total need for absolute clarity which often disconcerts people who feel that they are being clear.  Anyone else living with someone on the autistic spectrum will know about this.

we have known that he had a kidney cancer and a cyst on the other kidney for over 7 years.  He has multiple other health problems which meant that surgery was never a viable option for him.  The cancer has been very slow growing but he was recently transferred from urology, where they had been monitoring it, to oncology where we learned that it had started to metastise.  It is now in the lymph nodes around his kidney, the cyst has become cancerous and a recent ct scan showed evidence that it is now spreading into a lung and his abdomen.   He was put on pazopanib (oral chemo) but after about 10 days of this his mouth and throat became very sore and painful so that he could hardly swallow or speak.  He also had diarrhoea.  He rang the nurse who told him to go to A&E. They checked everything but couldn’t find any evidence of infection.  What happened to him is a listed possible side effect of pazopanib so he was told to stop taking it and given a special mouthwash as advised by the oncology team.  The problem improved.  We already had an appointment with the oncologist.  When we went to that he said that it was definitely a side effect of the drug and he absolutely would not prescribe it again because that side effect was potentially lethal.  There is no alternative treatment.

Of course we asked what the outlook was, whether he would see Christmas 2021.  We were told that he probably would but probably not Christmas 2022.

My husband now feels that he is living under a death sentence which of course he is.  He already needed a lot of attention from me, he is hopeless socially however hard he tries.  This is pretty common with Asperger’s people.  Others feel his anxiety and his need for clarity is often interpreted wrongly and people are put off instead of being open to listen and find out about why this happens so that they can adjust and help him.  This means that he is totally isolated apart from me and his son who is also autistic.

he is desperate to catch up with what he sees as missed opportunities, especially with women.  There is no way that he would be unfaithful, our marriage vows and me mean too much to him for that.  However, he needs a lot of sexual connection to an extent that I find too much.  If I pull away he sees it as rejection which from his point of view it is.  From mine it is not total rejection, it is safe-guarding myself. 

I have a history of severe depressive illness and am too easily overwhelmed.  I want to meet his needs but am limited in what I can do.  I also have other interests which I need to keep going for my own health.

This is extremely difficult to cope with for us both especially as we live in a tiny flat so are constantly together.  I don’t want to lose him.

the next step is another scan in 6 weeks and the oncologist in 8 weeks.  What we need to know is how this might progress,  what might happen to him and how long he may be able to function reasonably for.

This is all so hard.

Isobel 

  • Hi Isobel,

    My son has high functioning autism but it is my wife who has the cancer.

    Things are unfortunately going to be hard for you both. My wife never wanted a prognosis and I really struggled with that but in reality it is worth remembering they are a best a guess based on averages and things change all the time.

    I did a living with less stress course that really helped me. I was perhaps living in a state of pre-grief trying to work out how I would cope in an uncertain future that was certainly much blacker than things actually turned out to be and that was stopping me enjoying what I had.

    You might like to look at Looking after someone with cancer and I really encourage you in your comment about looking after your own health.

    It might seem like something of a platitude but there is a quote “Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow, it empties today of its strength.” that I have quite come to like.

    <<hugs>>

    Steve

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    FormerMember in reply to src60

    Hello Steve and many thanks for your response.

    I am sorry that you are also living with this huge thing.  How is your wife?

    my stepson also has a diagnosis of high-functioning autism made when he couldn’t cope with the transition from primary to secondary school.  He is now 28 and after an extremely difficult adolescence during which his mother died (also from cancer) he got bariatric surgery which he definitely needed, did his GCSEs, qualified as a teaching assistant and did a degree in primary education (he got a first) and is now in his NQT (newly qualified teacher) year at a school near where he lives.  It is great relief to us that he is determined to make his career and we are sure that he will succeed despite the autistic aspects of his personality.

    I will look up the site you recommend.  I am lucky in some ways because I now have a CPN keeping a close eye on me because I am trying to reduce my psychiatric drugs - I have a lot.  He is excellent and very experienced and knows how to listen which is a rare skill.

    John doesn’t have any friends.  Social things are too difficult for him.  It was better when Alex was little because we used to take him to all sorts of things.

    There is a book called The Selfish Pig’s Guide to Caring which is quite helpful and doesn’t shirk talking about sex which is so important and which most things do shirk.  I don’t really understand why.  It is the most private and intimate connection with someone and therefore the probably the most important one.  It is a problem for us because of the strength of his need and my propensity for being overwhelmed.  We haven’t been able to find a balance that works without crashes.

    I like your quotation.  I put similar things in my diary so that I know where they are and I can look at them when I need them.  Here is one that helps me a lot, it is from James Naylor who was an early quaker.  “Art thou in the darkness?  Mind it not, for if thou dost it will fill thee more, but stand still and act not, and wait in patience till light arises out of darkness to lead thee.”  He knew what he was talking about, he had plenty of experience of darkness.

    I am a Quaker,  we have a saying and spiritual action of holding people in the light.  I will hold you in the light.

    here’s a big hug from me.

    Isobel

  • Hi Isobel,

    Janice is doing really well, it took her a while to find a level playing field where she is "living with" rather than defined by cancer. The one thing that triggers her is when people say something like "you are so brave" - she can be rather quick to point out she was not given a choice in the matter.

    I find this community so great because it does not shy away from talking about cancer - and often a whole load of other things besides - including sex! Just the sort of conversation that does not come up over coffee with friends more generally. 

    One of the positives I had was a world book day event, the speaker was James Withey and people can read a bit more about him here. I have a signed copy of the recovery letters book.

    When I was a school governor one of the lessons we learnt was that school is only one way to learn. There are many highly successful people who really struggled at school - though perhaps school is really about turning out normal average people - average people tend to fit in better but the world would be really dull if everyone was average.

    One of the teachers in my sons college has an almost identical academic record to Michael - including the autism and that can be really helpful.

    <<hugs>

    Steve

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    FormerMember in reply to src60

    Hello Steve and many thanks again for responding to me.

    you are absolutely right that school is only one place where people learn and there are many things that are either not available or that you are too young to learn in school.  On top of that theory and second hand knowledge are always trumped by personal experience and actuality.

    i am very glad that Janice is doing well and living with her cancer.  I do understand her frustration with the things that people say.   There is only one choice, to live with it or to collapse under it.

    John and I have been through things outside most people’s experience due to the psychiatric services so we know that we are strong and I do get fed up when people tell me that I am so strong or am so brave to speak out.  Somebody, I forget who, said that if no-one speaks then no-one can.  I try to live by that with respect to mental illness and am definitely not defined by it.  I define myself as a singer.

    John is worried because he felt that the doctor at his last appointment didn’t talk about whether or not any alternatives to the pazopanib were available and potentially useful.  He has been trying to contact his Macmillan nurse but without success.  We know that she is extremely busy.  He has had no symptoms from his cancer,  if he hadn’t been in hospital for another reason seven years ago we would not have known about it.   He has so many other health problems anyway.

    Alex is doing well at his school.  He is going in but not to teach, to supervise pupils working.   He is also working very hard preparing material for online teaching.   The big problem is that he teaches years 1 and 2 where children are learning basic things such as reading, writing and numbers.  It must be extremely difficult to prepare online work for them.  Many of them won't have adequate access to IT either.  On my Facebook page someone has posted a list of the problems that teachers and headteachers are having to deal with as well as they can.  Schools do so much more than the academic work.  You will know about that from your work as a school governor.

    a good thing is that he is having his Covid vaccination tomorrow.

    take care,

    hugs,

    isobel

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