Good morning
I'm typing this after a week of my whole life being on hold while trying to sort out the mess that the GP surgery and hospital have made of my treatment so far. Does anyone please have any advice? It's a long one. Long story short I've been on a 2 week wait multiple times since 18th April and still no closer to treatment because of errors. PALS didn't respond and their average wait time is weeks but this seems time sensitive.
I had covid in November and my lymph nodes swelled all over my neck and in my armpits. This happened when I had it before and also when I had the jabs. Nothing else has ever caused this to happen to me. I have also had proximal DVTs appear non stop since then and I'm on blood thinners for those, with constant breathlessness. I didn't notice the swelling on my left superclavicle because of the other swellings which are since long gone. By mid April, my collarbone had a firm, painless swelling the size of half a boiled egg.
I went to the GP on 18th April.
GP referred me to the breast clinic on 2WW.
Breast clinic couldn't help and said I probably don't have breast cancer but they don't deal with necks. No tests done. Just a visual examination of my chest.
Went back to GP. Saw a nurse who said there is no lump just swelling and probably just fat. She was rude to me and has made comments before when I was a size 10 that I should join her weight loss group (I'm a wheelchair user and do struggle to keep weight off but I'm not diabetic or prediabetic like she suggested and I reluctantly had a blood test for). The nurse agreed to send me for an ultrasound anyway to shut me up about the fact there is no fat on the other collarbone and I know my own body.
Didn't mark it as urgent. It was upgraded to urgent when I queried this later on, but I waited weeks for it.
Had the ultrasound. They didn't appear to scan my collarbone area despite asking why I was there and asking me to point to where I felt the lump is. They said the nurse who referred me felt there is no lump and just put "scan of neck, px has anxiety". I do have anxiety but this diagnosis was years ago and somewhat irrelevant. I only went to the GP about the lump because my partner asked me to due to swallowing problems.
The results of that scan showed a hypoechoic mass with echogenic foci (?) I can't remember what the letter says without finding it. It was graded BTA U5 if that helps. Suspicious mass on my thyroid and a smaller 6mm one BTA U3/5. On the left side.
The letter said to urgently refer me to ENT.
The GP surgery got the results and called me the morning after. The doctor kept saying I had a cyst on my thyroid and not to worry but he was getting some advice.
He sent an email to the endocrinology for some reason, asking what to do. He referred to a lump on the *right* hand side, on my collarbone (which to me shows the lack of care and attention to important details).
Waited 2 weeks for the response to come back, which was the same as the original advice to refer to ENT urgently.
Doctor referred me to endocrinology as routine- which I queried the clinic and the urgency. Was told no, no - it's definitely right.
Couldn't book endocrinology appointment when the choose and book came through, as both clinics had over a year wait. Called GP surgery and the receptionist said she would have to book it for me.
Called me the next day to say they would send me to ENT as endocrinology rejected the referral and gave advice.
"Referral for suspected head and neck cancer" 2 week pathway again.
Saw ENT clinic 4 weeks ago and they ordered a better ultrasound of the nodules and an ultrasound guided FNAC of the superclavicular lymph node. They could definitely feel and see the lump that the nurse dismissed me about. They noted it as palpable etc. Told me they would keep me on 2ww.
Day after that appointment I got a call to go in for the tests. Same person doing the scan as last time. I queried if it was the biopsy. She ignored me and stayed silent the whole time. She spent 30 minutes scanning my entire neck but didn't go near my collarbone at all. I queried this and she just did a half smile half smirk and said "no, all done" and I left because it was really awkward.
Went to my follow up last Wednesday to be told that it was a pointless visit. They don't know why nothing is noted about my superclavicular area and why the biopsy wasn't done. They did a camera down my throat which didn't show anything. They said they can't do the biopsy in clinic because of my jugular. The position is too difficult or something. They apologised profusely for being messed around and kept me on 2ww. The doctor I saw then said there is a palpable mass on my collarbone.
Letter received on the weekend which was sent to my GP. Rather scathing and stresses the need for the tests to be ordered by ENT admin ASAP due to the swelling of my collarbone.
Realising I hadn't heard anything and 2 weeks was approaching, I called the hospital. ENT reception don't take calls. I had to go through to the appointments booking line even though I wasn't aware of any appointment.
"Oh, don't you know you have an appointment on the 18th?" I asked if that's for the tests or a follow up. It's a follow up. "They can't follow anything up though, I haven't had the tests yet". "Sorry can't help, I'm not clinical." "Who can help?" "ENT admin, they order the tests". "Can I speak to them?" "They don't take calls from anyone." "OK so how so I sort this out"... line goes dead. The young lady comes back and says she spoken to ENT admin and my biopsy will be done in clinic and not to worry. I said that they didn't do it in clinic last time (they had the trays ready but after looking at my first scan it wasn't safe). I said that my letter even says they can't do it and it needs to ultrasound guided. She insisted I was wrong so I said I would be willing to put money on them being incorrect in this case and can she check again. She went away and then came back on "they've agreed to take your call so I'll put you through now".
"Hello and welcome to Royal Bolton ENT... I am out of the office. Please do not leave a message as it will not be listened to..." or something like that. I called the appointments line again and was like 20th in the queue. I had a little cry in frustration and decided to call them back at some other point.
In the meantime I had a call from someone who introduced himself as "ENT" and he said I have an appointment on the 18th and havent responded. I said I don't know if there's any point attending with no tests yet and when will the tests be done. He didn't know so I asked him to check, assuming he was from ENT. It turns out this young lad isn't in ENT and has to say that. He works on reception and has no access to records or anything else. He asked someone to take the call when I became upset. I explained the problem and they said they would personally take the copy of my consultant letter down to ENT admin and ask them to order the tests and call me back.
ENT called me an hour later and said they have asked radiography to book me in before the 18th. If I didn't hear anything yesterday I have to call back and start this whole ridiculous communication saga over again. I feel sick at the thought of having to explain over and over. I have other health problems that I have to manage, a household to toagnose, children, pets, studying and work. I don't have time to spend 8hrs a week on hold... or the contract minutes which are all used up.
I can now see the suspicious masses found in May. They're bigger. My collarbone hasn't gone down. It's like the blood vessels on my neck have hardened over where the lumps are too and turned white. Like I havw a scar going up my neck that looks like a flash of lightning. That part hurts sometimes and it's a sharp pain that catches me off guard and I'm trying to hide it from my partner and young children when it happens. I just want to know what's wrong with my body and feel like 3 months and counting is a disgusting amount of time to wait for something "urgent".
Thanks for reading... and sorry for going on!
Sorry for all the mistakes, i have arthritis and it's difficult to type on my phone... also it's 4 weeks since I first saw ENT, almost 2 weeks since my first pointless follow up. I've lost track of time!
Seeobhan Firstly I'm so sorry to hear how badly you've been messed around.
Prior to diagnosis I had many similar issues with GP, GP Nurses, Radiography and both GP and Hospital Admins.
All I can say to you is keep phoning and keep pushing. I broke down on the phone many times with different people because I knew something was wrong but everyone just kept messing me about.
It's exhausting I know but you have to fight to get answers. Please don't give up.
When I went to radiography a second time the ENT doctor had ordered a FNA biopsy but the radiographer looked and said he didn't think it was needed and didn't want to do it. I insisted as Consultant had ordered it. I'm glad I insisted because that FNA diagnosed cancer and now I've been treated with positive outcomes.
Take care of yourself, keep pushing and keep us updated.
Much love x
Thank you so much for replying to me - I have been up all night worrying about having to call them this morning. I couldn't get through so I rang radiology directly and the person I spoke with the other day lied because they haven't requested any tests at all. She told me they had asked for them. I have just left a really abrupt voicemail for ENT but apparently they don't listen to them anyway so we will see. I feel like I will have to make the 2hr bus journey to speak to reception face to face. I am sick to death of them but my GP won't let me go to another hospital and I've no idea why. They just say no I have to be seen there.
Hi Seeobhan, I agree with Sassyt68. Do try and keep going and find the strength to battle to get seen. I know from experience how easy it is to give in when you feel so run down but you have to get answers for the sake of your family if not just for yourself.
It shouldn't be like this. Your journey so far is shocking but sadly all too familiar. So many, even just on this forum, have had misdiagnosis and difficulty getting treatment. I do sometimes find face to face is the only way to do get things done, although I admit I'm rubbish at speaking up for myself! They can't put phones down or dismiss you quite so easily, although I know that's not going to be easy in your situation.
I too was constantly dismissed by a GP, firstly when I had swallowing problems, then when my health declined over 8 years!! It was my daughter who insisted I keep going back, as she could see how ill I was getting. And mine was indeed cancer, medullary thyroid cancer. That said, when I eventually got referred to ENT on cancer pathway at the hospital my treatment has been good and quick.
Keep insisting on the tests and let us know how you get on.
X
Medullary Thyroid cancer dx May 2023
Hi,
If I were in your shoes I'd be inclined to suffer the trip to the hospital and deal face to face if you can.
Also, you said you'd had no response from PALS. Is there a PALS office in the hospital? Our hospital has and you can walk in and discuss face to face. So might be worth checking.
Take care xx
Such disgusting attitude from people who are supposed to care. What's wrong with them?
Quick update for anyone reading in future- I still have no definite diagnosis and no treatment. An official complaint is being made and my care transferred elsewhere if no progress at the end of the month when I am in the clinic again. A scan is already booked at another hospital with a view to transferring there.
I went to the clinic appointment and the consultant apologised and said she could tell me nothing because the scan hadn't been done. The suspicious masses on my thyroid are on "watchful wait for a further 3 months until they are easier to biopsy". I actually agree with that decision though they could have told me earlier. There was a communication issue between radiology and ENT.
The consultant took my email address to update me. She said she wouldn't bring me on the 5hr round trip via bus without good reason. I heard nothing until this week but PALS picked up my email entitled "complaint about the complaint process" within 10 minutes of me sending it. They have sent me a complaint form as they have been unable to resolve this with the ENT manager (probably due to no response).
The radiology department have now twice confused treatment I am having elsewhere for my genetic condition with this matter - and tried to discharge me for seeking a second opinion elsewhere because I had a head MRI booked through neurology which is nothing to do with this. I have had to sort this out. They also have said that during both scans the radiographer did scan my superclavicle but no evidence exists in the way of notes or photos of the area because they didn't see anything concerning. I don't believe them. For the third time, a third consultant said there is a mass there but they can't help without a scan.
I went back to my GP who has referred me for the scan to be redone elsewhere but advised me to stay under Bolton for the thyroid lesions/masses. Yet no follow up was booked with Bolton for these at all, due to the Radiologist manager getting annoyed with my complaint and discharging me over the MRI (they did this before I did actually seek a second opinion, and before I knew about the plan to wait). So I had to request a follow up for that - which i had this week via phone. Also when I said I had proof of messages between me and my sister and my partner from the day of the scan, expressing my confusion that they didnt scan the right area, suddenly the radiology manager wrote to me saying that she didn't mean I couldn't be treated there and that their rejection of the further scan had arisen due to me requesting a second opinion. That's a complete lie and they rejected it before I went to my GP. Another outright lie is in the letter where she says that her Radiologist said I indicated the area to be scanned during the second scan. They are blaming their mistake on me. Why would I do that? Hence my complaint.
During the follow up the consultant who saw me last time couldn't even remember me and seemed to keep making stuff up. Not on purpose but more to be reassuring but it came across as disorganised... because I would then say "but - with respect -my last letter doesn't say that" and she would check my notes and agree with me. I've somehow been talked in to a face to face appointment again at the end of the month. The scan at the other hospital (no referral there so not duplicating things) is a week after that appointment. I want ENT to tell me what this lump is or I'm done with them. I feel like it's a sick joke.
I feel your pain. As a nurse and a patient in the NHS I get it, I really do.
You kinda need to find that one person in this whole mess of a system who actually cares and makes the time to untangle this mess.
It could be PALs, a nurse or a doctor. They need to follow this through to the end and not just say " I'll call you or you call if you don't hear etc. They need to take ownership. There are still people working for the NHS who will take the effort and time to do this, I know this because I'm one of them.
You can do it! You deserve excellent care and you can advocate for yourself even if no one else is. You have done so well persueing this so far. Keep going.
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