Is biopsy for prostate nodule always necessary?

FormerMember
FormerMember
  • 12 replies
  • 116 subscribers
  • 10898 views

Hi Everyone

I appreciate that to most men on this forum my problem may seem trifling but I ask for your patience. I'm sure your knowledge and experiences may help me make a decision about TRUS biopsy.

I have a nodule on my prostate, found by DRE 18 months ago. I have had a large hemorrhoid, recently removed. This, I understand, could have caused a prostate nodule.

I have BPH, which was diagnosed by cystoscopy a few years ago. This may be raisng my level of PSA. Just over a year ago it was 3.7, it is now 2.0. However I have been on Finasteride 5mg for a year and I believe that may account for the PSA falling. The urology consultant wants me to have a TRUS targetted at the nodule. However I have doubts.

I am a 72 year old Caucasian who has never smoked and only ever drunk alcohol lightly. My diet for over 40 years would be described as healthy with no red or processed meat and plenty of vegetables. (My hemorrhoids are caused not by diet but by increasing age according to my consultant.) Apart from the prostate issues I have no serious health problems. On the other hand my sister died of breast cancer, but it is not known if she had the suspect cancer genes that can also cause PCa in her brothers, sons etc.

I have read that the chance of a prostate nodule being cancer is 15–20%. I'm not sure if my ethnicity and the lifestyle choices mentioned above have the effect of decreasing that percentage in my case or if once one has a nodule all other risk considerations become irrelevant.

Knowing that most PCa is so slow growing that sufferers are far more likely to die with the cancer than because of it, I'm leaning towards refusing the biopsy. The potential gain seems to be outweighed by the risks of infection, including the often lethal Sepsis. At the moment I'm thinking of asking for regular PSA tests and only taking further action if it goes above 6.5 (the 'safe' limit for my age group).

Has anyone else in this group been faced with this sort of dilemma? I'd be grateful for your thoughts.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Not really an answer for you, but an information source.
    "A benign or noncancerous prostate nodule could form because of an infection or as a reaction to inflammation in the body. It may also be a sign of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), which is an enlarged prostate. BPH does not increase your risk of cancer."
    https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/prostate-nodule#symptoms

    I am not a healthcare professional, I have just been diagnosed with PC and am reading a lot to understand it.

    Kind regards, Mike

  • Hi Will and welcome

    This is a difficult one, Finasteride could well be responsible for lowering the psa, trouble is unless u come off it you won't know if the psa is rising or not, possibly. Having said that it was only 3.7 before u started on Finasteride.

    I wouldn't be too concerned about Sepsis and biopsy it is quite a rare occurrence. I had a truss biopsy which wasn't too bad, there is also a template biopsy where u are less likely to get an infection but I shied away from that one as it involved up to 50 needles.

    how big is the nodule in mm?, where is it located in the prostate?

    You don't say if u have had a MRI, if you haven't  I would be asking for that first, at the moment it looks like they want to carry out a biopsy on the back of a DRE only.

    see what others say

    best wishes

    Steve

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Grundo

    The trouble is I don't think they can tell if PC is a slow type or an aggressive type without a biopsy. You are still a fairly young fit man and if it did turn out to be PC you would have a very good chance of a full cure at present even if it was aggressive and if it was slow growing they may just watch it. Best result it's not PC at all and you can relax and forget about it.

    My husband had very little sign of PC just a slightly raised PSA, he had a biopsy that confirmed it was PC and had RT treatment after which he was clear for 5 years, although unfortunately it has now recurred.

    Although there is some risk of infection with a biopsy, many men have them with no problems.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Will

    Its an interesting case you have. Having read your post a few times, I can see why your urologist would like you to have a biopsy to clarify the state of your nodule.

    Your urologist mentions a targeted biopsy, so I assume an MRI would be carried out to locate the exact position of the nodule is known. However, and I’m no expert in these matters, just personal experience, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover that a highly skilled practitioner, would be able to locate and identify your nodule using ultrasound, especially as they are likely to conduct their own DRE first.

    My own personal experience of a biopsy was 10 needles. The sound of the first was a surprise, the rest a walk in the park. It all helped too by having a cracking team looking after me. Despite the risks that have to be mentioned, I suffered nothing untoward as many men do.

    Personally speaking I’d want to know for peace of mind, however the final choice is yours and therefore there is no right or wrong in your decision. It’s down to your own personal circumstances.

    Wishing you well, what ever you choose to do. 

  • If you have to have a biopsy keep it to the minimum. I had a 38 needle template biopsy 20 months ago and I am still suffering from it.

  • Hi Will, my understanding is that the doctors should adjust your PSA number to account for you taking Finasteride.

    See text below from https://www.uptodate.com/contents/screening-for-prostate-cancer#H4242494349

    The 5-alpha reductase inhibitors finasteride and dutasteride lower PSA levels, thus mathematical adjustment of the PSA result can help with interpretation in men taking one of these medications. Some experts recommend doubling the measured PSA value before interpreting the result for patients on finasteride or dutasteride [30-32]. Results from the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial suggest that PSA values be corrected by a factor of 2 for the first two years of finasteride therapy, and by 2.5 for longer-term use [33].

    Ido4

  • i had the ten needle trus biopsy 

    i had read about a few bad experiences so was a bit worried myself !

     the noise is slighty weird but felt nothing , just a bit uncomfortable 

    had a bit of blood in my pee for about 5 days but that was it 

    no infection no other side effects or pain 

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to anubis

    Many thanks to all of you that have responded. You've given me plenty to think about.

    I'll post again here when I've been through all the detail. I'm very grateful.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi 

    To avoid a biopsi you could have an MRI with rectal coil and contrast solution.

    I have just been treated in VITUS Clinic, Offenbach  Germany.

    The state of art MRI +coil will show everything to mm precision.

    Regards,

    Wayne Baxter 

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Thanks Wayne.

    Is this the same as a multi-parametric (mpMRI) scan?

    Will...