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Hi All,

Firstly must say there’s some kind, helpful and knowledgeable people on here, have spent a fair few days on here just looking through posts and have learnt a lot so thank you all.

My brief story is went into Doctors on Christmas Eve after having horrendous stabbing pains in the night , it turned out to be shingles so Doctor took some bloods and I went on my way, a few weeks later I had a call to say I was showing and elevated PSA of 4.8 (I didn’t even know at that point what a PSA was) long story short I was referred for a MRI which showed 2 abnormalities , one 3 and one 4 , so next step was biopsy and results came back to me last Thursday (I had to get these privately as they would have took another 3 weeks to get an appointment for results with the NHS).

Results were positive for cancer, Gleason 3+4, T2a No Mo, 2 cores showed cancer out of 26 taken, no spread.

I have to say that been quite disappointed with NHS as have really had to chase everything and add private appointments due to lack of contact and info, on my private appointment for results it was all of 5 mins just to confirm positive, grading and option guide , AS, Prostatectomy, or RT, no advice or guidance given on these, I thought I would then keep the result appointment with the NHS to hopefully be able to ask more questions but when Cancer navigation nurse heard I had got the results and against my request she cancelled my appointment as she says it would not be beneficial as she she said I now need to see a surgeon and Oncologist but that could now be another 4-6 weeks

I have though learnt so much off this forum along with a few of the others , I see that a major dilemma and queries are what treatment path to take , I know it’s most certainly been mine , initially and after the shock had mellowed I started to look into it in detail , I had naively thought that as mine seemed to be of a lower grading minimal treatment would be required but seems not to be the case

I've just turned 56 a few weeks ago and my impression is most seem to be pushing me for surgery but TBH at this point that’s not my preferred choice so have been looking at focal therapy which I think I am suitable for and have made an appointment with a specialist for next week to discuss HIFU.

On a side note, I called my doctor to thank him for doing a PSA as I would now be none the wiser and he couldn’t even recall, why he did the test so looks like getting shingles was a blessing in disguise.

Really interested in to peoples thoughts and comments on my initial treatment choice, advice also more than welcome.

Thanks for having me here and wishing you all well,

Nick

 

  • Wow well done the gp ,I think we are pretty much the same as far as numbers go  a lady I know mentioned hi fu to me but it's not available where I  am so I opted for rt not sure when that is going to happen yet I've had the course of tablets and 2 hormone injections so far good look with your journey 

  • Yes not available near me either and nurse tried to dismiss it so if I go down that route it would have to be private , good luck also with your treatment, all the best , Nick

  • Hi  , interesting that coming back off private seems to put you at a disadvantage.  It was the main frustration for me at the start trying to get back into the NHS pathway.  Once back, I have had brilliant service.

    If I were you, I would wait for the NHS appointments in 5/6 weeks and understand all your options before making any choices.  You don’t need to rush by the sound of it.  Good luck and I am sure others will be along.  David

  • Thanks David , it s been more of a mix and match type of thing, I was referred to urology from Doctor but quite quickly got a MRI appointment, (NHS) after the scan I was told could be 4 weeks for results , I asked who had requested it and was given the name of the urologist

    coincidently a few days later I had an appointment with a gastroenterologist again NHS who I have annual check ups with , in the appointment he could see that the results from the MRI were in, even though this wasn’t his field he could see that there were abnormalities and when I told him the name of the urologist he knew her and told me she also worked privately so he advised me to arrange an appointment with her and he would call her to get her up to speed, so I managed to see her a few days later privately, she then arranged biopsy back on the NHS 

    Every thing else then followed through on the NHS until the results didn’t come back in the advised time 2-3 weeks and was looking at the 6 weeks even though I knew they had them and they had been discussed within the panel the week before so that’s when I saw the urologist privately just to get the results as anxiety was kicking in , so I never really left the NHS system , sorry as it’s a bit long winded :)

    I read you profile and wish you well with your continued journey 

    all the best

    Nick

  • Hello Nick ( 

    Welcome to the club - you would be amazed at the number of "stalkers" we have but we are happy with the situation as we are providing a service to one and all.

    As for the NHS as you have found you need to advocate for yourself and be gently persuasive with all your dealings, as my CNS (Cancer Nurse Specialist) said "In the NHS he who shouts gets" and I shouted and got!!

    So - Gleason 7 T2aN0M0 - personal opinion - Surgery or RT or HT or Brachytherapy or HIFU (although not offered on the NHS unless a clinical trial). My advice - get a pen and paper (old school) or a spreadsheet and do a list of the pro's and con's for each treatment as they affect you and your family. Use trusted sources for your research - Macmillan, Prostate Cancer UK and Cancer Research UK - not Dr Google. Ask us anything you aren't sure about.

    Here's a link to a booklet with quite a lot of useful information you may find handy:

    FIGHTING PROSTATE CANCER - A Survival Guide by Dr Jyoti Shah

    I hope the above helps - we are all in this together.

    Best wishes - Brian.

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  • Hi Brian

    thanks so much for reply and advice and yes since diagnosis last Thursday I have probably juggled every option and angle , taking so much info fro here and the other prostrate sites, am pretty much overwhelmed with it now , also had a lot of talks with friends who have been through the same , one who had removal and one who had RT , both a few years ago 

    as we stand if it was in order it would be 

    HIFU ( even if I have to go down the private route )

    Bracheytherepy

    RT

    RP

    i see the HIFU chap next week and I saw he also has done a lot of RP surgery so can pick his brains on a few options

    will be taking time though

    Thanks again and wishing you well sir

    Nick 

  • Hello Nick ( 

    Thank you for your reply.

    Good luck with your choice of treatment - keep us posted as to how it goes - we have had the odd report on HIFU but not many.

    Brachytherapy isn't offered by every NHS Trust but you can ask for it under NHS "Pick and Chose".

    Best wishes - Brian.

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  • Thanks Brian and yes will of course will report back thoughts on the HIFU 

    All the best

    Nick 

  • Hi

    You appear to have had a similar experience with your cancer navigation nurse as I did. I do not understand why nurses choose to go into the role of a specialist cancer nurse but who do not have the insight off how a diagnosis can affect patients. Mine actively prevented me seeing my consultant despite my raising serious concerns, from my perspective, with the treatment I chose. I raised the concerns with my GP who in turn wrote to my consultant asking for clarification. For him as well as me as my GP wasn’t confident he could answer my concerns. From the response to my GP I have obviously been portrayed by the nurse as unnecessarily needy. I now have no faith in my consultant but I do not know how to handle the mess.