Prostate Cancer Diagnosis - needing some simplicity

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Good afternoon.

I am a new member of this group and a newly identified sufferer. I am 71 years old, reasonably fit, hypertension controlled by drugs.

I am looking for advice at a level I can understand, and I hope for some re-assurance.

My journey so far is this:

Feb-March 2022 raised PSA level over 2 tests (can't remember the exact amount, but 6-ish).

DRE not suspicious, referred Urology, MRI Scan. Advised scan clear and not to worry unless PSA reached 10-12.

Found out recently that something was present at PIRADS 2. Not regarded as clinically significant.

No PSA test in 2023 - both myself and my doctors failed on that, to my bitter regret.

This year, I asked for a test in February - I noticed that I hadn't had one.

Three tests undertaken:

  • 13/02/2024 - 6.72
  • 05/03/2024 - 7.67
  • 11/04/2024 - 7.39

Referral to Urology.

20/04/2024 Appointment with Urology. DRE "nothing suspicious" referred MRI

30/04/2024 informed results of scan. Quote - "Two foci of clinically significant tumour in right peripheral peripheral zone at the neurovascular bundle and left seminal vesicle, PIRADS 5. There is a right pelvic sidewall metastic lymph node measuring 13mm in the short axis. Therefore T3b N1 MX multifocal prostatic tumour."

I sort of understood sone of this.

07/05/2024 - CT Scan

07/05/2024 - Bone Scan

23/05/2024 - Biopsy carried out. Results to above scan reported to myself and GP

  • CT scan showed 11mm right iliac external lymph node with no distant mestates noted.
  • Bone scan reported no evidence of metastaic disease.

In view of what happens next, these things may be important.

All my searching of MacMillan and Prostrate Cancer  suggested that a staging of T3b N1 MX (the original note) should be, with only a local lymph node (in the pelvic area) be called either "Locally Advanced" or "Advanced Localised".

07/06/2023 - meeting with specialist nurse to cover biopsy results. I expected more of a plan from this meeting than I got, but I think that was my fault.

Results - Gleason Score 9 therefore CPG 5. 31 Cores in biopsy, 12 Positive - 10 Gleason 9, 2 Gleason 2. Not the reults I would have liked.

Encouraging statements "you're not going anywhere" "this treatment will stop it dead in its tracks".

Overall discussion not too encouraging by way of answers. I will be given (to follow) an appointment with a Consultant Oncologist. Apparently I have to wait for further answers from the consultant.

Nurse did not describe the results in any kind of way I recognised, whilst agreeing with att the staging details etc. Just referred to "metastasised" but still only referring to the details above. They gave me this website - www.canceralliance.co.uk/prostate - to "know my options".

This gives a page which quotes all the same treatment options as for locally advanced prostate cancer, but without saying that. It says that, untreated, the prognosis is very poor - but that is no longer the case. The letter imaged below shows the treatment currently in place, which I have started.



My problem now is that I don't have much confidence and don't know what to ask the consultant, and, if necessary, badger him for further referrals.

My research has now reached the stage of more confusion than comfort.

So, my questions  are twofold:

  1. Have other people been through a similar situation and come out the other side (I'll bet the answer is yes)?
  2. Has anyone got suggestions for things that I ought to ask the consultant about additional/better treatments?

Just a word, I am feeling a bit shaky at the moment since my further research is just getting too complex. Please be as encouraging as is still useful. I also plan to speak to the Prostate Cancer UK specialist nurses on Wednesday (I have a part-time job).

  • Hi  , sorry you have joined our club but welcome.  Your diagnosis is similar to my own I got at age 68.  I too was reasonably fit and have survived over 7 years so far.  I couldn’t read your letter so assume you have been given something like Bicalutamide for a short spell and will be given Prostrap or Zoladex injections 3 monthly.  If that is the case, then you can start to relax as the HT starts to work.  Once your PSA starts to drop your team will consider the next stages.  Your T3bN1 is the same as me.  The Mx, indicates that you need a scan to determine if you have bone mets.  From your PSA I doubt it.   So in answer to your questions 1. Yes, I have been through the same. 2. What are they proposing in addition to the HT.  once you have the options then by all means come back on here to ask again.  Best wishes, David

  • Thank you, David.

    I tend to overthink. I have done the mental equivalent of painting myself into a corner over the last two days since my meeting with the nurse.

    Your notes were brilliant!

    I knew that there were others out there who had gone through this before, but it is very comforting to hear from someone who is almost exactly the same.

    I did have a CT scan and a bone scan. The bone scan was clear and the CT scan only showed up the lymph node already described in the MRI. So I think that it might well have been caught in time to stop it spreading.

    Thank you again for words of wsidom.

    Steve

  • Hi mstev,

    We have been discussing this grade on some other posts.I personally feel - (subjective to me of course) That TB3 is in an area of cure or treatable, to me it feels like it's in the middle and could tip either way. Everyones cancer has different variables with PSA /Gleason score/ Seminal vesicles involvement/ if it's spread. so it's hard to tell. I feel that at this point, whatever your treatment is you need to push for "cure" so when you discuss options with your consultant you should enquire to: is it a good idea to hit it hard at this early stage? There are choices, and it's getting the right one for you. Triple therapy =HT with chemo seems to be talked about a lot, My other half had full pelvic RT pre-empting spread to nodes and bones and now has two types of HT=Zoladex and Abiraterone, the second HT is really strong and is usually offered to men at a later date, but now they have found that given early it has some good results. 

    It's overwhelming I know, but put your trust in your consultant. If you do end up in the treatable area as  says survival is good. You can tick along nicely with the excellent drugs available. At this time it's a lot to process and it can be really confusing, but it will all fall into place.  Keep here in this forum as there's so much information and discussion of new drugs and treatments and lot's of support from fellow members. 

    Let us know how you get on with your meeting and what's advised for you.

    Best wishes L