Abiraterone and radiotherapy

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Hi, just a wee update.  My husband had a PSA of 252 in May of this year and was started on HT immediately (Prostap injections every 12 weeks) he did have three weeks of Bicalutamide first. Bone scan was clear and CT scan showed cancer in left side of prostate gland and a hotspot on lymph node near prostate. Biopsy showed T3 with Gleason (3+4)7.  Had first oncology appointment today and he is to start a month of radiotherapy and will extend to take in hotspot to make sure they treat the lymph node as well, first appointment will be to implant gold seed markers then an appointment for planning CT scan then the radiotherapy appointments begin.  He did say, however, that due to his high PSA there can be a recurrence so to make sure this doesn’t happen they want to also start him on Abiraterone and steroids, we’ve to go back to see the Consultant next week for results of bloods taken today and sign consent for Abiraterone if we are happy to go ahead with this. He said he is treating him as curative. He said he will be on the hormone injections for two years but I forgot to ask how long he would be on Abiraterone, altho as we are seeing him next week I can ask the Consultant then.  

Linda Slight smile

  • Hi Linda

    Welcome to the club!

    I was on Prostap, but not with Abiratone, so cant really comment on how long he will be on it, but Im sure there are others here who will have an idea.

    Sounds like all going well,  but let us know if you have any queries or concerns, as his treatment continues and we will try and help.

    Regards

    Stuart

    Trying to get fit again!
  • Thank you Stuart, it’s all so stressful! The hormone therapy has already been playing havoc with his emotions, some days he is close to tears but he’s feeling a bit better now he has a solid plan, but I’m a bit worried about the addition of Abiraterone as it seems to be yet another hormone treatment although I understand the reasoning with his high PSA.  He is keen to start radiotherapy to get it over with but not so keen about the gold seed implants as so far the worst thing for him was the biopsy, but at least he has an idea what to expect this time lol.  He is also somewhat perplexed about the micro enemas as it says use half an hour before your radiotherapy appointment but we live an hours drive from the hospital, do you think we could get there early and do it at the hospital ? Any advice gratefully received.

    Linda Slight smile

  • Hi Linda.

    I had gold seeds implanted in 2019 before my RT and it was just a bit uncomfortable but not particularly painful. With PC one has to get used to the frequent loss of dignity! Make sure your OH asks for a copy of the ultrasound photos. He will probably have some blood in his urine afterwards but it should stop in a few days. There will also be a planning scan about two weeks after the gold seeds, once the prostate inflammation has subsided and the RT should start a couple of weeks later.

    I didn't have to use micro enemas as it wasn't done at my treatment centre, so can't help with that.

    Good luck with the treatment.

    Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift.
    Seamus
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  • Hi Linda

    Most men, in my cohort, used the enema at the hospital, for the same reasons as are concerning you. Once the enema has done its thing there, in my experience, won't be any issues getting home afterwards.

    Once he gets the process into his head, RT is a doddle and completely painless.

    Regards

    Stuart

    Trying to get fit again!
  • Hi LinP

    I am lucky enough to live only 10 mins walk from my hospital so I was able to do the enema at home but I think in general they expect you will do it at the hospital.  This should all be explained at the planning scan, along with how much water to drink etc.
    As to the Abiraterone I don't know.  I am on Enzalutamide, which is the equivalent ,but they tell me I am not curable so will continue until I stop responding which hopefully will be a long time into the future ;-).

    Hope your husband's treatment goes well, Steve

  • Hi Linp

    My partners on Abiraterone, it’s an excellent drug and has very good results, you can take for a long time and it has low side effects . (This is what our consultant says). It was part of the “Stampede trial” where it was found that if you take it early on as a first line treatment it will really hit the cancer hard and keep it under control  giving the taker an extended time. It has only just become available in England and wales on the NHS because it used to cost 3k? A month ( something like that ) but now it’s generic and costs around £60 so it’s going to make a difference for a lot of men. It was and is used as a Chemo substitute in Covid times and for men that can’t have Chemo for other medical reasons. It’s a bit of a wonder drug. The equivalent long used NHS drug is Enzalutamide. which is similar. If Abiraterone stops working at a later date you can move to Enzalutamide, but not the other way round for some reason. (That’s basically all I remember from my research ) My partners side effects to his HT treatment so far are fatigue and hot sweats mainly. That has ramped up since he’s had RT, but he’s trying to exercise more and that seems to be helping.  I have done a profile of his journey so far so you may want to read it as your husbands diagnosis is very similar to my partners. At this point I feel a bit wobbly about the direction of where his PC is going and we are not sure what’s happening with it. Has it been knocked back by the RT enough? Is my main fear.  He was curative but now he’s “treatable it seems. But one thing I do know is that’s he’s in a much better place now than he would of been without Abiraterone, so don’t worry, embrace it . 
    As for how long will he take it. We were told initially 18m-2 years and the see where the cancer is. So that should and hopefully be your end point and then you would be monitored I guess.  Now we have been told for life so obviously that has its concerns because it brings up the questions of time. There is a point where Abiraterone will stop working. When you may become “castrate resistant/hormone resistant “ and the Enzalutamide/chemo would be a next option. But I have read some findings  about “intermittent “ use of Abiraterone  and if you come off it for breaks your body will reaccept it as if it’s a new drug and work well again. We’ve discussed this with our consultant and he is of the opinion that it makes no difference either way, but we are going to go down that route after a couple of years, because it can be monitored and in our  opinion nothing is lost by having a break. 1. To see what the cancer is doing. 2. To feel normal and drug free for a bit. 
    Best wishes to you both 

    LSlight smile

  • Thanks Stuart, due to the travelling I thunk doing them at hospital will be best, just wasn’t sure if that would be ok, thanks fir the reassurance.

    Linda

  • Hi, thank you so much for all the information it was very helpful. I read your partner’s journey and it’s very similar to my husband’s. The worst thing for him is the fatigue and muscle weakness but he pushes on and still exercises and walks our cocker spaniels. He works full time too as a Forklift Driver but is in bed and asleep most nights by 8pm. I feel a bit less worried about him starting the Abiraterone now so thank you for that.  I wish you both well and hope your recovery goes from strength to strength.

    Best wishes

    Linda

  • Thank you Steve. We actually live 5 minutes from a hospital locally but all cancer treatment is at the hospital in Edinburgh so we need to travel so I will let him know they will probably discuss it at the planning scan and he can then do the enemas once he gets to the hospital.  I sincerely hope the Enzalutamide works for many years for you but I’m hopeful they are finding new treatments every day that will also make a difference.

    Wishing you all the best for the future.

    LindaSlight smile

  • Hi Seamus, yes he is fast becoming used to loss of dignity.  It was such a shock for him when he was diagnosed that he was in a daze for a few weeks but now that he has a plan going forward he is coping better.  He is not looking forward to the gold seeds as he found the biopsy uncomfortable but more embarrassing than anything.  I was reading your journey and you have been through a lot but it made me feel very positive.  Wishing you well for the future.