11 WEEKS AFTER PARTIAL KIDNEY REMOVAL AND STILL IN PAIN ,CANT BEND,WEAR JEANS ETC

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Hi everyone, first post ever on a forum site so please bear with me.

I am/was a single "healthy"(or so I thought) male of 55 years never smoked not overweight good diet ,moderate social drinker etc.

I was diagnosed with RCC back in Jan/feb with a 4cm Cancer tumour in my left Kidney.

This was found due to a scan which I had for a Liver cavernous Hemangioma . That's another topic in its self which does not belong here I guess.

It was one thing being told of the liver problem but to be hit several weeks later with the news I have cancer was a double whammy.

I underwent a partial Nephrectomy on the 16th March ,a date I will never forget. It was done with the Da Vinci Robot. The surgeon was fantastic however the after care in a "top" London Hospital was appalling to say the least. My family found the money to pay for this operation due to the fact the tumour was growing and we could not seem to get a date soon on the NHS. I wont name the Hospital on this public forum but im sure the treatment in an NHS from what I have experienced would have been far better.

I would like to ask those of you that have had major surgery ,is it normal for the patient after the surgery to be told to climb from the operating bed/trolly on to the hospital bed with drains,tubes,catheter attached? That was what I was told to do straight after the operation back in my room.

The next day the catheter stopped working because a nurse decided to strap one to my leg rather than leave the bottle on the floor. and it seemed to cause a vacuum , The kidney drain came out and had to be replaced, Blood seemed to flow back up the Morphine tube! The drain bag was put in bed with me at one point and seemed to have collapsed like a punctured football. How can anything drain into a bag like that? This was my first visit in Hospital and I could go on an on about my stay. It just seemed to lack professionalism . Day staff ok but the nights were quite frightening to say the least. Quite what would have happened in an emergency I don't know. Someone was ment to come in and show me how to get in and out of bed and what gentle exercises I needed to do ,a physio  I guess? But never saw one.! No one seemed to be in charge.Dreadful place.

I am 11 weeks post operation and as per my heading , I am still in loads of pain in my stomach area.I cannot lean forward to put a left sock on without it feeling like someone is putting a knife through my belly lower region. My chest is tight and there is a burning sensation most of the time. The areas where the incisions all six of them are sore and swollen.My stomach is still bloated even with 10 lbs weight loss. I can only just drive as it was too painful to press the clutch down. I cant even open my garage door,its up and over and too heavy. My ribs at the ends hurt. Constant aching . I can walk and stand but sitting down and getting up again really hurts. Its like something is tearing in my stomach or something has been stitched to something that needs to move freely. Anything which squashes the stomach towards the thighs caused a lot of pain.

After several visits to the

The GP suggested they might have left an instrument in side me!  So I was x rayed and told I was very constipated and that was causing the problems. That was about 6 weeks ago now.

Another x ray and its not really showing anything. I think I am waiting for a CT scan,the GP has written to the surgeon but still not heard anything.

I cant wear trousers or jeans if I have to sit down without undoing them because its agony on the places where the incisions were. It seems to be worse where the drain was which is interesting.

Its trakky bottoms for most of the time which is so not me.

Now the operation is over and im still alive ,friends seem to have all dispersed, with the theory and attitude "well you don't have cancer anymore its been taken away" All over ...move on ! If only they knew half of it. And if I had a £ for every time someone said "im there for you if you need me" what a load of old tosh! Talk is cheap ,very little action when you really do need help. Please tell me im not the only one who thinks this or experienced this?

So I am at my wits end ,I am unable to work anything other than some computer work but after a while its to uncomfortable to sit at a desk because the stomach is squashed .

Tasks like bending down to pick up a towel or even standing at the wash hand basin leaning forward to wash my face is painful. This should not be the case after 11 weeks post surgery. I followed the instructions of the surgeon after the operation ,two short walks per day ,keep moving around.

I feel so much is wrong inside me and I cannot get any one in the medical profession to give me an answer as to what the problem is . I keep asking ,getting appointments ,being prodded and examined but still no answers. I cannot continue to live like this . Im even told i need counciling ! I just need to feel normal again or at least feel like im improving day to day. I feel like a Frankenstein experiment..I am at the end of my tether feeling so rotten all the time day and night.

No one has any answers.

I have read on here some peoples experience with this operation of virtually being house bound still after about a year and I can fully understand and sympathise

I really think as  patients we should be made more aware of how serious and complicated and the possible outcomes of this operation and not to expect a fast recovery all the time. Its far from straight forward and fraught with possible further problems.

We have all heard people say they know someone who "was playing football after a few weeks of having it done" nothing to it , "you can live easily with one kidney" All I can say is they haven't experienced anything like this.

I really would love to hear if anyone else has experienced similar to me and what was the result ?

Thank you for reading.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Dedalus

    I'm proud of my rugby ball it's a reminder that I kicked cancers butt MuscleSlight smile

  • I can't say I feel like that.

    The flank bulge annoys me because there is very little you can do about it.  As was said it can get more painful towards evening.  Sometimes I feel an irritating ache during the day.  This concerns me a little because with this persistent pain you won't know if there is a recurring problem in or close to the kidney bed, and this is a prime site for recurrence.

    I also find it difficult wearing a belt, because this can result in upward pressure on the area. so I have resorted to braces.

    It is also difficult to keep my abdomen in through exercise, as exercise will not help with de-nervated muscles.  I used to be proud of my abdominal section, now I have to let it all hang out.

    The only potential solution is major surgery with mesh, but it it is not that successful.  Mesh is also considered quite taboo these days.  It is now generally banned for female prolapse because of the horrendous side effects.  Not much is said about it but the risks are generally just as similar as for female prolapse.

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    FormerMember in reply to Dedalus

    I understand your feelings and agree about the bulge I've just returned to work and had to get a bigger uniform, but I can handle that after being told I had such rare cancer that I'm only case 57 in the world ! And after two months of intense stress and nuclear scans and blood tests etc my bulge is a reminder not to take life for granted and live life to the fullest.

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    FormerMember

    That sounds horrifying!!!! I had a robotic partial nephrectomy also 4 cm renal carcinoma. I had surgery on Aug 1 and it is now Sept. 20th. , 7 weeks and I have just gone back to work, office job. My lower back started really hurting tonight after work. That is why I found this post. I had to create an account just so tht I could reply to you. PLEASE dont give up. Something is definitely not right with your healing!!!!! You must be terrified. I would want someone to open me back up and look for instruments or stitches that are stitched wrong and are making things stick together that arent supposed to stick together and when youre moving, crouching, the tissues are being ripped and then more scar tissue forming while gathering up nerves. Holy Redeemer! Please dont give up tryimg to find out what it is and dont let them say that your crazy! Those insane liberal feckless elites will try to blame it on you. Seek a lawyer! Nobody at that sorry hospital is going to help you. I had horrible horrible experience at JOH*$ H0pk1n$!!! Supposedly the best hospital ever! My surgeon was wonderful. The hospital wanted to kick me out within like 11 hours of my freaking surgery. They gave me tramadol and i couldnt catch a bresth and my blood pressure went down to 70/45! They didnt care! I didnt even pass gas yet and they wanted me out of hospital. My surgeon barged in all dressed like to go out to dinner and told me he was the boss and i was going to stay another night and nobody at hospital was going to stop him. He was wonderful. I guess that i am recovering alright but my urine was a little link tinged which is freaking me out. And the horrible lower back pain. Oh, around my belly button it looks like a donut! My primary said i had 2" diameter scar tissue circle. Great! I cant even put my finger inside my belly button. I massage scars with coconut oil. I tell people that i felt like i was shot 6 times and stabbed once. They all say " well at least you dont have cancer anymore" or "just be thankful you are alive". I cant imagine what that makes you feel like when you are still in so much pain. Your pain sounds VERY abnormal. Please dont give up!! 

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    What kind of rare cancer? Did it spread? 

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    That sounds horrifying!!!! I had a robotic partial nephrectomy also 4 cm renal carcinoma. I had surgery on Aug 1 and it is now Sept. 20th. , 7 weeks and I have just gone back to work, office job. My lower back started really hurting tonight after work. That is why I found this post. I had to create an account just so tht I could reply to you. PLEASE dont give up. Something is definitely not right with your healing!!!!! You must be terrified. I would want someone to open me back up and look for instruments or stitches that are stitched wrong and are making things stick together that arent supposed to stick together and when youre moving, crouching, the tissues are being ripped and then more scar tissue forming while gathering up nerves. Holy Redeemer! Please dont give up tryimg to find out what it is and dont let them say that your crazy! Those insane liberal feckless elites will try to blame it on you. Seek a lawyer! Nobody at that sorry hospital is going to help you. I had horrible horrible experience at JOH*$ H0pk1n$!!! Supposedly the best hospital ever! My surgeon was wonderful. The hospital wanted to kick me out within like 11 hours of my freaking surgery. They gave me tramadol and i couldnt catch a bresth and my blood pressure went down to 70/45! They didnt care! I didnt even pass gas yet and they wanted me out of hospital. My surgeon barged in all dressed like to go out to dinner and told me he was the boss and i was going to stay another night and nobody at hospital was going to stop him. He was wonderful. I guess that i am recovering alright but my urine was a little link tinged which is freaking me out. And the horrible lower back pain. Oh, around my belly button it looks like a donut! My primary said i had 2" diameter scar tissue circle. Great! I cant even put my finger inside my belly button. I massage scars with coconut oil. I tell people that i felt like i was shot 6 times and stabbed once. They all say " well at least you dont have cancer anymore" or "just be thankful you are alive". I cant imagine what that makes you feel like when you are still in so much pain. Your pain sounds VERY abnormal. Please dont give up!! 

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    I've had a nuclear scan and father ct scan I see a specialist next week for all the results as far as I know it's not spread, I had Neuroendocrine renal cancer which is rare , Neuroendocrine cancer is hormonal so I'm not sure what the next step is, maybe they will take the rest of the kidney out which they are talking about, I've been through so many emotions the last few minths I'm washed out but if I've still got cancer I'm ready for the fight 

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    It’s now been three years since my partial nephropathy and the pain has not lessened any. I am seriously considering getting a pain pump implanted in my spine to relieve me of the side effects of taking so much of the oral opiates. The incessant constipation has now caused me to deal with colitis. I do thank God because things could be much worse but fortunately there are ways to handle my current issues.  I’m just bewildered at how my life has turned out.

    Nancy

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    Dear Nancy,

    I'm so sorry to hear about your pain since your operation.  I'm afraid I struggle to relate as I have no pain at all from my operation (about 5 years ago) although there were some complications.

    I see that you had your operation at the Mayo clinic in Rochester, are you in the States still or were you a patient who travelled there for your operation?  I only ask as I am in the UK and know nothing about the medical situation in the USA other than what I have seen on the TV.

    In the UK if the doctors have further examined you and decided that they can do no more to resolve the pain then you are referred to a pain clinic to find out the best way for you to manage your pain.  They use a combination of medication and mental techniques to try and help you manage this.  As you have found out there are issues with the long term use of opioids not least that your body builds up a tolerance and you need to take more and more to achieve the same effect.  A friend of mine recently had to go through withdrawal after several years on Oramorph  when she was switched to a different painkiller as it was no longer giving her the same level of relief.

    I have met others who are in constant pain and have to balance reducing the pain with being able to function and not feel spaced out all the time.  They try to use the mental techniques more when they want to be more able to function and the medication to get a good nights sleep or to relax more on down days.

    I wondered if it was the same sort of system in the USA with pain clinics?

    I'm sorry that I cannot be more positive but I honestly don't know if anything more can be done as I presume after three years you have searched every avenue and I don't want to come out with meaningless, sympathetic platitudes.  It is good to hear that you have a supportive husband who knows you so well.  I can understand the bewilderment about how your life has turned out, my cancer returned and is now classed as incurable and has also necessitated any changes to what I thought my life was going to be like although I am planning to live for many years yet.

    Wishing you all the best, love and hugs,

    Gragon xx

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    FormerMember in reply to Gragon

    Hello Gragon,

    Thanks for your responsive attention. Just to clarify one thing- I had the wedge resection if my remaining kidney at Mayo in Jacksonville, Fl, not Rochester. 

    Mad far as the protocol here in the US, you’re very accurate. I’m scheduled now for a pain pump to be placed in my spine, similar to having an epidural. I’ve heard great things and am very hopeful to have so many side effects either reduced or obliterated.

    i don’t know if or how my latest issues relate to the kidney issue but I was recently hospitalized for colitis and now I have intermittent duodenal pain.

    Stay tuned for a further update in the next month or so!

    Take care,

    Nancy