Good Evening,
I posted in September, following my stage 4 (T3 N2 M1) diagnosis of Oesophageal Cancer. It's spread to various places. Lungs, Liver, Nodes, Pelvis etc and originates from the Junction. I've started treatment and am currently on my second cycle. I have a few things I'd like to ask to see if people are in the same boat or have any good advice or hopefully 'glimmer' stories of success.
My chemotherapy is intravenous Cisplatin every 3 weeks and daily 2600mg of Capecitabine. This is ongoing for 8 cycles or about 6 months. In addition I have an intravenous Trastuzumab infusion at the same time as the Cisplatin and from my 3rd cycle onwards, at my own expense but NHS recommendation, will be starting Pembrolizumab as well. I think it's like HCX plus or something. Lost on me except that it's a heavy set of symptoms and side effects which follow and I wondered if anyone else is on similar treatment? I'm currently experiencing the below primarily, but also general nausea, lethargy, stomach upset, disturbed sleep, low moods and plenty of other gems beside.
The main issue I'm having is swallowing. I'm finding keeping food and drink down tough and this seems to be both because it's hard to swallow and my throat seems awash with additional lubrication (basically like baby sick) which has nowhere to go but up. Nice. so it's not the food so much as the Ick. I've got a Barium Swallow booked and may be advised stents. Has anyone had them fitted? Are they helpful or debilitating? I was seeking to avoid this in the hope that the treatment would kick in, but if needs be I'll do it. I'm a food guy and love cooking and eating different foods and this aspect of it all is getting me down. My dietician is fine but basically requesting I eat mashed up puree like a vast baby is a knock to my confidence.
Also, finally. I know my realistic outlook. I also know there are hope stories and people who make it beyond a year, sometimes to 2, 3, 5 or more years. I want to be in that number! But I also have managed my expectations. I do feel that, wading through the insurances and pensions, the sympathetic people, the 'helpful' phrases like 'you have to have hope. what else is there', the apparent need for every document to confirm you'll be gone in a few months and the fact that people all behave so differently around me, really starts to mess with my confidence and my attitude which is basically, keep going and keep moving forward until you have to stop. Does anyone else feel that the general world around them, especially people you don't know and the impersonal side of things, becomes a blocker to aiming high. I don't want to 'exist' and I don't want to 'survive', I just want to live. I'm craving people who feel the same. The media is awash with sympathy and platitudes, but that doesn't reflect how I feel and always seems dictated by people who have watched it rather than lived it. I'm not a 'warrior' and I'm not 'brave', I don't have much of a choice, I'm just a normal man, in a horrible situation, with a dark diagnosis, who wants to live longer for my four children, my beautiful wife and frankly, myself.
Sorry for the ramble.
Alex
Hi Alex,
What a distressing situation you find yourself in. I do hope that you have family supporting you all the way.
Just so you know I also have Oesophageal cancer (T3N1M0). I have had four rounds of FLOT Chemo and operation to remove tumor. I have another four rounds of chemo to go before treatment ends and monitoring commences
I really don't know how I'd react or keep positive with a diagnosis like yours. I didn't even contemplate having cancer when I went for my first endoscopy after having trouble swallowing.
Initially before seeing oncologist, my mind took me to all the dark places and I too sorted out the finances etc because I thought it's was the end of my life. I have always been pretty stoic, like oh well if it's my time then let's get prepared for it. After scans etc I was told that it should be treatable with chemo, op and more chemo. What a journey that's been though. Not just for me but for my wife too.
How you are managing to keep your spirits up and your energy positive I don't know. You must be amazingly strong and brave.
Best regards
Geo.
Thank you. I’m not sure how anyone copes but I think you either try and look forward or you stop the clock. Which I’m not ready for. Which sums it up. I’m not ready. So I need to fight for as long as I can. I’ve got a beautiful family. Nobody has more to live for.
Sorry sorry to read your post, it’s a tough place to be right now.
I’m here with my Dad who unfortunately was diagnosed in August. At the age of 82 and has always been active he is finding it very tough to be so unwell and stopped in his tracks.
the regurgitation has been awful (and still is) and he quickly lost the ability to eat and had no alternative than to use a feeding tube which has been equally awful. Massive weight loss and lots of nausea make him pretty miserable and it’s very difficult to offer him any comfort or hope at the moment which is tough too. I’m heartbroken that he seems to have given up.
He has just had his 2nd cycle of Carboplatin and is taking Capecitabine daily, radiotherapy due to start in November. Surgery not an option.
Stent not an option at the moment as hoping treatment shrinks the tumour enough to be able to eat again ?
I hope there is someone who can offer some comparisons and hope for you. I know there are no words that I can offer to you right now, just keep on fighting x
Hello Alex, I could have wrote quite a bit of that myself, I am recently T4N2M1. Had endoscopy (stopped at 29cm due to tumour ), CT scan tumour attached to Aorta and 6 lymph nodes. Having pet scan on Friday, hope nothing more shows up. I am struggling with food now just hope treatment will help. Have you met your medical team or just the nurse, did you get any positive remarks from your team ?, I ask because I have had none whatsoever.
I have been on Smartpatient and there are a lot of people in our position doing well, which gives me lots of hope. I have ask everyone around me to try to stay positive and most of them do but odd thoughtless comments do knock you back but I am learning to deal with that. Out of curiosity have you been told to put your affairs in order ?, this was the relayed to me in early in my first meeting,
all the best
Sorry to hear about your Dad. It's a horrible diagnosis anyway, but like me, a lot of people, including your Dad, seem to go from 0 to 100 and get this diagnosis out of the blue. He shouldn't give up. To me, this cancer comes across as a coward and a bully and you have to stand up to those things or they will beat you down. I intend to and if your Dad can get some glimmers and positives, I'm sure he will to.
Keep fighting.
I've met my medical team and I've been on Chemo (Cisplatin and Capecitabine) and Trastuzumab for two cycles, with my third to start Tuesday week.
The initial meeting, positivity was a no. I actually got my diagnosis of stage 4 over the phone (initially by mistake from a Doctor's receptionist who couldn't even pronounce the thing and then in graphic grave detail from my clinical specialist) and then had 'the meeting' with him and my Macmillan nurse (who is lovely) and a dietician.
It was horrible. Basically, you're riddled, you can't be operated on, it's incurable and treatment options are limited.
However, that's what I was expecting and their faces told me it was going to be worse (eg, we have no treatment options and you better take the library books back and cancel any holidays and buy a shovel).
After this. Things got a little better (which is now VERY relative to life BC - Before Cancer, although another C word springs to mind). My Ocologist is a legend. A young, forward thinking Brazilian guy, who by luck or good fortune, is EXACTLY what I need in terms of pitch and approach. Practical. Creative. No sugar coating but no doom and gloom.
I got a second opinion for UCLH. This helped to light a fire under my Oncology team and also meant that a full molecular profile of my biopsy was done and came out as HER2 positive. Aggressive and flamboyant as a cancer, but with a softer underbelly when it comes to Anti Body therapy. So a new hope opened for a slightly longer life. I have nothing but good things to say about my Oncology team.
I also recommend, although it's early days, to stiffen the sinew and do EVERYTHING YOU CAN. I'm exercising every day and build it up during cycles, ready for my three week infusions. I take the chemo pills daily which slows me down. But I'm walking a bit more everyday, even if it's raining or it feels creaky.
Also, I took control of my eating situation. They offered a Barium and stent, but my Oncologist said it may ease by the end of cycle 2, so I asked for a bit of patience before a stent. Yesterday I ate a Moussaka and a Mars Bar and had some pasta. I've had scrambled egg for my breakfast and am having the protein shakes. I even had a glass of wine last night. Last week I couldn't eat or drink anything and would have been begging for a stent. But I plugged away .
Any counselling, take it. If it's done in Oncology. As they have genuinely seen the success stories, even at stage 4 and they will also be there all the way through. I've also taken the Reiki option. I used to think it was tripe. But, having felt the burning hands on my chest where my tumour is, it really isn't.
My intention is to do all I can to live as long as I can. When I say live I mean two fold. Live as in staying alive and LIVE as in live as well as I can. I'm happy to stay in touch, because I know, in a few days, I'm likely to be falling down a snake and not climbing up a ladder in this weird world.
I didn’t think you could get a worse start than I have had but it sounds like you have leapt way out in front.
I am changing hospitals so I can get treatment nearer home, it will be a different team looking at it so I will wait and see.PET scan tomorrow hope nothing more comes up from what was seen on the CT scan. You got a second opinion, how did you go about that ? Also I see you are going on Pembrolizumab did you get checked for PD-L1 as my report shows I am HER2 positive but nothing about PD-L1, they are now doing further mapping of the histology so perhaps it will show on that.
I would love a mars bar and a glass of wine but at the moment no chance, had a non alcoholic beer and struggled with the fizz in that.
I will certainly take the councilling if offered and the Reiki ( looks comforting ). I know what you what you mean about the snake.
please do keep in touch, I’m happy with private messaging on this site if you are.
all the best
Hi Alex274 ….I admire your fighting spirit ..Never underestimate the power of a positive mind .
I’m on this group as I’ve been supporting my husband through his own OC journey ..His was treatable so we count our blessings everyday ..We remain positive but keep an open mind as who knows what the future holds for any of us ?
Not comparing because each individual experience is unique and incomparable..but we have a friend who is in a similar situation to you with a different type of C ..She’s currently going through her ‘last resort treatment’ (her oncologists words) ..She can go through a whole range of emotions on a day to day basis . She says she’ll keep fighting with everything she has because every day , week, month or year she does, there’s always the hope of a new breakthrough in treatment .This has been her mindset for the past two years ..She lives her life to the best of her abilities on a day to day basis .
Never give up hope ..Keep fighting ..
Sending lots of positivity and strength your way
regards J
Hi Albert,
The HER2 positive is a real positive. It's not many people who pop up as that, so suddenly, a new branch on your branch diagram opens. I would ask about Trastuzumab, as as far as I know, that is separate to the Pembro option, but does have a 60% success rate in response.
The other option will come out of that histology. Let's hope that Pembro is an option. If it is, you may need to pay. My idiotic friends and family have crowdfunded, so I'm ok for the next two, which is humbling, but let's just go with it!
Anyone can ask for a second opinion. I'd suggest Oncology in a different trust. If you have any contacts who work in the NHS or who have contacts? I just happened to know a guy who worked at UCLH and the link was tenuous at best. The second opinion gets all the info and data your Oncology team have both teams are always happy to facilitate this.
I don't know how to PM on here, but I'm more than happy to, so if you message, I'll reply!
Alex
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