Radiotherapy,Letrozole and potentially worsened side effects.

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Apologies if my post is long.  This is the first I've posted  but have other cancer related questions so will post then elsewhere. Since lumpectomy in July for early stage invasive ductal breast cancer, delayed radiotherapy in November because I had major surgery for something else in August which resulted in sepsis and a bowel obstruction and then 4 months of Letrozole things seem to be deteriorating rather than improving recently.  I had some mild discomfort initially extended under my armpit and round on to my back where I have a numb, tingling/neuropathic pain type sensation which doesn't bother me.  I have a large rectangle of darkened but healthy skin in those areas due to radiotherapy.  When started on Letrozole I quickly realised it was exacerbating some of my other chronic pain symptoms, hot flushes back with a vengeance which I am struggling to deal with and a really unpleasant metallic taste in my mouth I had been blaming on oral thrush as that took a while to clear up after surgery. I dedided I was feeling too unwell already as I am struggling to recover from the surgery to continue with Letrozole.  I told the Oncologist I'd stopped it and didn't want an alternative which she was ok with and suggested that early breast cancer was hardly the priority having looked more closely at my Urology and gastroenterology notes.  That does mean I'm completely discharged from the hospital although am still to have yearly mammograms and an appointment with the breast surgeon a year after last years surgery. If the next mammogram's fine I'll opt out of the surgeon appointment.  I started to notice I've been getting quite a bit of collarbone pain over the last few weeks.  I intially blamed it on the way I was sleeping but since sleep is something I've rarely done over the last thirty years and that's been worse since November 2021 as I can't sit or lie down due to severe sacral pain caused by nerve compression. The collar bone pain extends across the centre of my neck, under my jaw and into my mouth, throat and ear. I don't have tmjd. Has anyone experienced this following radiotherapy? and did it improve? I do have a history of oral problems, including severe pain around my left tonsil, the back left section of my tongue and the left hand side of my throat. This makes eating really painful so massive weight loss, problems with swallowing, choking and speech as well as lots of sores in my mouth. I had my tonsils removed urgently about 4 years ago because of suspected cancer, which it wasn't, Since then I've etold it's most likely a form of neuralgia but I didn't ever experience collar bone pain previously and the throat pain itself is much less severe than that triggered by neuralgia.  Morvern.

  • Oh my ... what a journey . I am also looking for research about benefits and risks before I decide about  taking letrozole . If anyone can suggest any reading let me now . Thank you 

  • Hi  and a warm welcome to the forum. Am just about to go out but wanted to pop on and suggest that even though you’ve been discharged, I assume you’re on a self referral arrangement re making an appointment at the breast clinic? I haven’t had your issues re collarbone but have had others and have phoned the breast nurses to get checked out. I would get it looked at for reassurance if nothing else, and if it’s from the radiotherapy I’ve seen posts here where people have been referred to a ‘late effects’ clinic.
    Hope you can get it checked and get some answers, sending love and a big virtual hug, HFxx 

    HappyFeet1 xx
    Don’t be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts. – Hopi
  • So sorry you have been through so much. Although you have been discharged from oncology you still should come under the Breast Clinic for next five years including your annual mammogram. I have just been discharged by oncology but was told if any problems arise post treatment to contact the Breast Clinic. I would do that as they will be able to either see you for a scan  or offer advice.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to HappyFeet1

    Thank you very much HappyFeet1 for taking the time to reply to me. 

    I don't think I can self refer back as it would appear I no longer have that option.  My care became a bit of a muddle because of delays in treatment due to the other surgery. I did have a contact number for a breast care nurse who worked with the breast surgeon prior to the op but that was in a different hospital from the one where I saw the Oncologist.  Because of the delay in radiotherapy I was reallocated a different Oncologist from the one I'd first seen and there was as far as I'm aware no access to a nurse at that point.  It was certainly never mentioned and there wasn't one at the appointment.  Although the care was ok the information provided at both hospitals was pretty conflicting so there didn't appear to be much communication between the different departments.  The annual mammograms will be done in a different clinic entirely as far as I'm aware. After leaving a message for the Oncologist to let her know I'd decided to stop Letrozole my other appointments were then cancelled including the follow up one with the Consultant Radiographer.  When I had my final appointment over the phone with the Oncologist the following month she basically said that I had been completely discharged from the hospital and it was expected I'd never need to be seen again. She wasn't unpleasant but having spoken to her previously about the delay in radiotherapy I didn't find her especially nice either and although being in hospital elsewhere with a bowel obstruction when I was originally supposed to have started radiotherapy was hardly my fault I was made to feel as if I was a bit of an inconvenience.  The same with having an early stage breast cancer diagnosis I felt a bit like a time waster.  I also got the impression that although she agreed taking Letrozole wasn't going to be of much benefit to me she perhaps wasn't happy that I'd made the decision to stop it without running it past her first. She did remind me I'd still have yearly mammograms and see the surgeon a year post op, however as I was likely to be monitored very closely by my Urology MDT any issues that cropped up should be quickly addressed by them.  I don't know where she got that idea from because I don't have and never have had a Multidisciplinary Team in anything other than the breast cancer care.  I basically have no care whatsoever in relation to Urology and limited care only in a different part of the country for gastroenterology so I don't know where that idea came from as it certainly won't be in my medical records.

    Kind regards,

    Morvern

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Evajean

    Thanks for your reply Evajean,

    It appears I don't have that option although that's what I'd expected when initially diagnosed.  There was a bit of a bewildering comment from the Oncologist on the very close Urology MDT monitoring I'd have and that if I had any breast issues they'd be able to refer me back.  Apart from knowing even if I had such a thing as any Urology care or monitoring whatsoever, which I don't as my Health Board area are still refusing to accept me back from the area where I had the surgery done as it's still too complex apparently, that's a bit of a bizarre expectation so it appears I'm basically on my own.

    Morvern

  • Write to pals and your local mp !! 

  • Hello  , 

    I am sorry you have to be here in the place none of us wanted to be - however, now you are here, you will see there is a great group of people here with a wealth of knowledge.

    I am sorry my reply will be brief (hmmm will it though) as I only nipped on and need to finish a paper before I go to bed.

    You are still very early days with your recovery - it might look healed on the outside, but inside there are lots and lots of nerves, muscle, fibres etc that have all been displaced, cut, pushed and pulled ..... so there is still a lot of healing going on inside. Please be kind on yourself and give your body time to heal and recover.

    With regards to letrozole again I would say 'give it a chance' and remember there are so many ways to deal with the side effects - the various 'brands' can play a part in side effects - due to the different fillers or colourings they add in.  One tablet that is not good for one person can be great for another.  

    Remember why we take the letrozole and 'what the letrozole is actually doing'....

    The letrozole is taking the oestrogen 'out' of our bodies.... oestrogen is our bodies lubricant, our WD40 - so taking the oestrogen out of our body will cause our body to age quicker than normal - so we encounter the aches, stiffness (I had trigger finger... in my thumbs)....

    In doing this having the aches etc - we know in a way the letrozole must be working and if it is working that means it is helping to protect us! 'C' uses oestrogen to feed on for want of a better word, so any reduction is of help.  (I can't think of the right way to say that - I think you will understand me). 

    With regards to the side effects there are different things available to take to help reduce pain, aches, etc - some ladies are even told to take    Loratadine, (sold under the brand name Claritin among others), it is a antihistamine medication used to treat allergies, however it can help ease certain side effects. 

    (I'm that tired I can't think right now, so I do hope this makes sense)....

    I would say to anyone, as scary as it is, I was petrified to start taking it - I can remember it as clear as anything - I truly felt like I was never going to be the same, I thought I am going to take this (I take mine at night) and wake up bed bound - I had such a fear .... then one of the ladies on here said take it 'one day at a time' just see how you go and that is what I did and I will be honest I can't tell if I have side effects from the letrozole or if its just ageing - what I will say is 'give it a try' ..... imagine how your would feel if you never tried and something happened - at least you are giving yourself extra support (if this makes sense) - you might not get side effects and if you do .... you can stop of you can alter how you take them, half a tablet or every other day (I have to say ... I am not a Doctor and you would need to seek your Doctors advice on all this - these are my own thoughts and words).

    Finally, so much for a quick reply hahaha ....

    There is a tool you can access online called "Predict"  this can give you ideas of life benefits from taking and not taking medications, etc, you and others on here might find it interesting to try......

    Its called "Predict" it is on the NHS Website....

    Predict is an online tool that helps patients and clinicians see how different treatments for early invasive breast cancer might improve survival rates after surgery.

    What does Predict do?
    Predict asks for some details about the patient and the cancer. It then uses data about the survival of similar women in the past to show the likely proportion of such women expected to survive up to fifteen years after their surgery with different treatment combinations.

    Who is Predict for?
    Predict is for clinicians, patients and their families.

    Patients should use it in consultation with a medical professional.

    Here is the link to the webpage....

    https://breast.predict.nhs.uk

    I really hope this helps - and to all new on this journey, please 'try not to worry' ....

    Also, look out for the AWAKE thread - we all tend to gather there both night and day - drop in, ask questions, have a laugh, a scream or just read the posts, again, link for the AWAKE thread is....

    https://community.macmillan.org.uk/cancer_types/breast-cancer-forum/f/general/128753/awake/1831112

    x

    I'm hoping this makes sense - only my mind says one thing and my fingers type whatever they like x
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to WhatHappened

    Thank you for taking the time to reply to me,

    I did take Letrozole for 4 months but have made the decision I'm definitely not wishing to have another try at aromatase inhibitors.  I still remain unwell following the surgery for the benign condition and have got to the point where I couldn't tolerate the side effects of Letrozole on top of that.  I had started it with an open mind as I'm already on such a lot of medication and have been fortunate in that I've never really had side effects with any of them so didn't expect to have much of an issue with this. I fully understand how it works but if it's making me struggle more with things that were already a big enough problem I'd have to be convinced that the benefits outweighed the side effects which for me they don't.  I looked at the Predict online tool again after starting Letrozole and to be honest in hindsight had I realised how little it was likely to lessen recurrence I wouldn't have taken it in the first place.  I've been fortunate in that the cancer was caught early and lots of people will envy me that but I've had quite a few times recently where I've been so unwell due to my bowel that I'm struggling to see how I'm likely to get to the point where a cancer recurrence is something I'm going to be around for long enough to experience.  

    Wishing you all the best, Morvern

  • Hi Morvern. I totally understand where you are coming from. It is your body and your life and I think you have made the right choice for you.The majority of people are afraid to go against the experts but everyone of us is different. I am not comfortable on Anestrozole, would prefer not to take it but my family want me to do everything I can to prevent cancer coming back.I think the HT only gives you a slightly better chance of it not coming back. Just concentrate on getting your other health worries sorted although I know this is not an easy task.Keep us posted how you are getting on.  If you want advice about post breast cancer treatments I would contact the Macmillan helpline, might have some useful contacts. In the meantime take care.

    Evajean x