Extra capsular spread

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I am rather confused. I had a lumpectomy 9 weeks ago and received the biopsy result 3 weeks later via a brief telephone consultation. Margins in the affected breast were clear but cancer was present in one lymph node but with extra capsular spread. I do not remember being told about the extra capsular spread in the telephone conversation but the information was contained in the confirmatory letter received 3 weeks after the telephone call. I had the result of the Oncotype DX test at about the same time. As it was 13/100 I was told I didn't need chemotherapy. An appointment with an oncologist was made for 12 October to discuss treatment options and this would be my first opportunity to speak to a doctor following being told the biopsy result. This would have been 13 weeks after my operation. I contacted my breast care nurse who managed to bring it forward to 16 September (yesterday). In the meantime I read up as much as I could and found research which showed that in cases where only one or two sentinel nodes were positive the removal of all lymph nodes is not seen to be beneficial and treatment can be by radiotherapy alone, and this together with the Oncotype DX test reassured me that I need not worry about the delay is speaking to an oncologist. The oncologist told me yesterday however that when extracapsular spread is present reliance on radiotherapy alone carries additional risk and advised I start hormone therapy immediately (as cells are oestrogen positive) and when I receive radiotherapy the lymph nodes near the throat should also be targeted. I have been fortunate in being offered an early date for axillary clearance and radiotherapy will follow as soon as possible after that. I am obviously concerned that the cancer can already have spread in these 9 weeks and wonder whether chemotherapy should have been considered. Can anyone offer clarity. Thank you.

  • Hi I suppose with the oncotype dx test they look at everything, grade, size, type and genes involved and with a score of 13 the risk of reoccurrence is low and the side affects from chemotherapy out way the benefits.

    For women older than 50 years of age:

    • Recurrence Score of 0-25: The cancer has a low risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy likely will not outweigh the risks of side effects.
    • Recurrence Score of 26-100: The cancer has a high risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy are likely to be greater than the risks of side effects.

    For women age 50 and younger:

    • Recurrence Score of 0-15: The cancer has a low risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy likely will not outweigh the risks of side effects.
    • Recurrence Score of 16-20: The cancer has a low to medium risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy likely will not outweigh the risks of side effects.
    • Recurrence Score of 21-25: The cancer has a medium risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy are likely to be greater than the risks of side effects.
    • Recurrence Score of 26-100: The cancer has a high risk of recurrence. The benefits of chemotherapy are likely to be greater than the risks of side effects.

    I would think that when they sent the test off they would have told them about the extra capsular spread. But maybe speak to your BCN and tell them you’re worried about it.

    Diane x

  • Thank you Diane. I did research the statistics related to Oncotype DX scores and was happy with the decision not to undergo chemotherapy. What has worried me is the oncologist prescribing hormone therapy immediately, being told to contact him to start radiotherapy as soon as I am fit enough after lymph node clearance next week and that he recommended radiotherapy targeting the lymph nodes near the throat as well as the breast. It seemed to me that he was suggesting the risk of spread which my Oncotype result conflicts with?

  • Hi from what I’ve read about other ladies on this forum, I think a lot start hormone therapy straight after their op and some have started before the op, so maybe the surgeon just wants to make sure, but I do understand what you mean, if he was that worried about starting it as quick as possible why not just give you chemotherapy, but I suppose chemotherapy comes with so many possible life long problems. I have lymph node clearance booked for 30th September but I’m having chemo because I’m HER2 positive and then radiotherapy and hormone treatment.

  • Hi I hope it goes well on the 30th. I will just have to wait and see after my clearance to see if any other lymph nodes are positive. It is difficult not to worry but I have to trust in the treatment plan. Thank you for chatting. It does help.