loneliness Cancers unmentioned side effect

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Hello everyone

Im a new member to this forum. last July I was diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carcinoma. 

I had a full mastectomy in September followed by full axillary clearance in October. Chemotherapy started early December , I’m on EC-P ...3 sessions three weeks apart, then early Feb it will be weekly for 9 weeks.. the Radiotherapy, then Tamoxifen and another hormone drug both for 5 to 10 years..

i have just finished the third of 3 double whammy chemos, and all though I got infects in session one and two...with a spell in hospital for both, my side effects have been minimal. The 3rd session last week was  more unforgiving, sinus issues acid reflux, constipation, stomach pain, headaches, scar pain armpit pain.......but the side effect no one mentioned was LONELINESS......

in the 6 months I have had this disease...two people have visited me. Once, and twice....

if I don’t ring people no one rings me, if I don’t visit people no one visits me...my company have contacted me twice in last 10 weeks that I’ve been off during chemo...one to tell me I’ve been overRoflid again, and the other one was a generic letter saying I had failed to attend a scheduled training day, a repeat of this could lead to disciplinary procedures....RoflRoflRoflRoflRoflRofl   I was more angry that a human person in HR could not input into a computer that I was off work sick....

the loneliness sort of crept in from day one really, the surgeon telling me I had breast cancer, then for the next ten minuets directed all the information to my Wife, as though I wasn’t even in the room...I lost the plot and said ...It’s Me who has Cancer not my wife.........

Then the days weeks and months that followed were littered with, people I know avoiding me, and office full of people who knew, but said nothing, friends not calling, family ring to start then the gaps in between get longer...6 months on no sibling has visited me......

The worst is when you visibly see people avoid you, I watched a person I have known for thirty years cross the street to avoid a conversation.

Then there are situations in hospital, or at  events.....when people say “ Breast Cancer, but your a man” “men don’t get breast cancer do they “,......

so then your not only struggling in a very pink world ( and rightly so) but your a liar, or a  some kind of weirdo to be avoided at all costs. 

Now I am happily married for 30 years have grown up sons and have grand kids......but I can’t tell them my inner fears, the things that keep me awake all night...I can’t explain the pain, the mind numbing confusion I feel or the inner abandonment this shitty illness leaves you with, why.? Because I don’t want to add to their own pain and  anxiety. 

We have a sister in law with inoperable lung cancer, ( diagnosed three Weeks after me)  and a friend of the family with terminal pancreatic cancer......we are surround by Cancer....so it’s no wonder I don’t talk about  mine....

so then the loneliness really takes hold......I rang the hotline here today, who suggested this forum so I have done just that...

i had once tried another on line support group, but was told because I was a man , it may not be appropriate, because the ladies of the group needed to feel able to discus ladies issues without concern a man was in the group.....

that reaction was not a standard reaction but I was unlucky to have tried that one first....it knocked my confidence and highlighted I was in a very tiny minority.....

so if anyone out there has tips to beat this loneliness  I’m all ears.......

im just glad I could put this thought out there, instead of storing it all up in my already cluttered head.

many thanks 

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hello D

    Please let me be the first person to say “welcome”. I’m sure there will be many more people who will reach out to you. It matters not what gender you are - we are all in the same or similar boat.

    People seem to find cancer a very difficult thing to talk about don’t they? They don’t want to upset you and so they either avoid you or avoid the subject completely. After I was diagnosed I had a massive row with my Mum because she came round and didn’t mention it. Now I realise why she did this but at the time it was very hurtful. 

    How would you feel about reaching out to somebody? Phoning a relative, friend or work colleague and asking to meet for a coffee/walk/anything. Start the conversation. Tell them how you’ve been feeling, ask them if it would be ok to talk about your cancer. I think most people want to do the right thing, they just don’t know what that is. If you feel you can’t ask for emotional support could you ask for a bit of practical support ? Something like a simple household task or a lift somewhere that could break the ice a bit. Maybe visit one of your relatives who also have cancer and ask them how you can help them?

    failing all that come here for some chat and friendship.

    best wishes

    M x 

  • Thank you Mariella 

    i do visit my sister in law regularly but I talk about her treatment and her worries, because her cancer is so aggressive she has had huge chemotherapy sessions much greater than mine, and they knocked her for six......at times in her presence I forget about my condition...

    My family live all over the country and even Spain. Sadly very early into my illness I found out my sick pay was no longer company, I had changed roles four years ago and what I thought was my original TUPE contract was no longer...and by default I had been put on new terms and conditions...I am currently only receiving SSP....I literally have limited money to visit....

    i fully understand that Cancer still has a taboo attached to it, and as you state, many people just don’t know how to broach the subject....

    i probably bruise easier....as I work in social care....and usually rush to help anyone and everyone...I sort of thought some of the care I paid others would be reciprocated......

    you are right though...I should try harder to involve myself with others...

    thank you 

    Take care of YOU
    D
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Villa82

    Can you talk to your wife about how you feel? Also definitely ask for councelling so you can talk to a professional. I think definitely reach out and ask for help... people might want to help but don't know how. They might think that you don't want to talk. You won't know until you try! This disease can lead to all sorts of change..  not all of it negative. I'm glad you have started asking for help! Xxx

  • Thank you flowerhappy for your reply.

    Yes I do talk to my wife about anything and everything, but because we are currently surrounded by this awful disease,  plus she works as a care assistant and winter has cruelty taken a lot of the residents that she was very close to...I try not to overburden her. Her parents are elderly both have health issues...she looks out for them as well...

    theres an old saying you can be lonely in an crowded room....my loneliness is a bit like that....

    Counselling is being arranged and I know this will help, because I’m talking to a stranger, that way I’m not affect them with what I say.....

    thank you 

    Take care of YOU
    D
  • Hi , and another very warm welcome to this crazy cancer club. I have sometimes wondered how the very few men I've seen at the breast clinic must feel - very isolated to say the least. Sorry you're feeling lonely and unsupported, you've definitely come to the right place now because you'll get lots of support and shared experiences here. And lots of us here don't share our deepest worries and fears with our nearest and dearest for exactly the reasons you've said, but on this forum you can say just what you want, rant and rave, curse the cancer crap, we even manage to have a laugh at times.... Check out the Awake thread for gallows/ toilet humour but also lots of caring and concern for each other. 

    I'm going to check back threads in a minute to tag a man who joined recently - he's just had a mastectomy so he may have questions he'd like to ask you as you're much further down the line. 

    Re asking for help, I thought I didn't need any (apart from this great place) but have recently started using my nearest Maggie's Centre, where I'm currently having a 6 week course of ear acupuncture to help with hot flushes from hormone therapy. I'm also doing a Mindfulness course to help with anxiety and just for general weller being. I've asked about counselling but there's a long waiting list - get your name down asap is my advice!

    Keep posting, we also have men here who are supporting their partners who've had the breast cancer - is one of them and always has helpful advice and support. Gentle hugs, HFxx

    HappyFeet1 xx
    Don’t be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts. – Hopi
  • Hi

    Welcome D. I know you'd rather not be here but it's a good place to arrive at when you been diagnosed and need to chat .

    My story on profile if you want to read just click on my name .

    When I was first diagnosed I chose two people to spread the word that yes I had cancer but didn't want it ignored and would prefer to talk about it . I then was very upfront about it .

    Even so cancer can be very lonely people just don't know what to say regardless of gender it's almost as if it will disappear if it not spoken about.You will find nobody really understands what's in your head unless they've been there .

    My favourite saying is " You don't look ill " well excuse me "you don't look stupid " wants to come out of my mouth . 

    In my area there are walking groups organised by local macmillan groups ask around you may find groups that you are interested in . 

    Have a browse around the threads you're not the only man on the site . You could help others with your experience of MX and chemo .

    margaret 

    One step at a time and ...Breathe !
    xoxox
    Margaret
  • Hello /D,

    and another sad welcome to a group nobody wants to know about. 
    oddly there is another fella in the group quite recently. 

    I truly can understand the loneliness, it happened to our daughter (she went through so much more treatment for her blood cancer than I did for my bc) and had a huge circle of folk she thought were friends; the vast majority melted away, but she did have some more perceptive ones who became much closer. 

    it’s tough but sometimes you need to reach out first, even though it’s far too common an illness, there are still so many folk who really don’t know how to start!

    sendjng you a hug xxx

    Moomy

  • Hi

    I'm tagging another male member who had his masectomy on Friday think you may be able to answer questions for him 

    Margaret

    One step at a time and ...Breathe !
    xoxox
    Margaret
  • HappyFeet1

    Thank you so much for your reply, I think I must at this stage also add a bit about myself to give the loneliness I’m feeling some background.

    October 2018 I was suffering with hip and back pain I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and it was in full blown mode....a scan flagged up another problem...I was told I have an Abdominal Aortic Aneursym. Currently 4.8cm at 5.2cm surgery may be offered....

    on the day I was diagnosed with breast cancer, I also was due to start biological treatment for the AAA.That has now been cancelled until I’m free of cancer for ten years......

    And I also have bi-polar 2 had it all my adult life...

    l know this loneliness I currently feel is real....because those who know the full story of my current lot....start off conversations with.....”I don’t no what to say or where to start” ..

    maybe this is why....

    The gentleman who also has breast cancer... we have friended each other....and I hope we can mutually help each other as men. 

    but I’m also grateful to ladies in this same situation for their support.....as has been mentioned it happens to men and women, and sadly it’s a club no one wants to join. 

    The counselling is through  my works health plan...so I’m thankful the wait won’t be long. 

    I will check out the Awake thread.....I love laughter...

    thanks again 

    Take care of YOU
    D
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi and welcome to this forum. It's not the place anyone of us wants to be but we find ourselves United by this dreadful disease. 

    Youve already broke the silence by reaching out to us and putting your feelings out there. That's a massive step forward. You've already recieved some great advice by the other members. 

    I get the loneliness,  I think we all do who are on this forum. We hide our fears from loved ones in order to protect them. 

    Definitely speak with , I think youd be a great support to each other. 

    I wish you well with the rest of your treatment. 

    J x