Maddy the Bladdy Review

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Hi All hope the weather is not being a pain to anyone.

Well my journey is about to change as my camera May showed a small papillary and dark cells! 

June 4 weeks later went for turbt, I was told all went well see me in 3 months.

Two weeks ago I got a phone call from my oncologist nurse to tell me one was papillary low grade but in between camera and waiting for the turbt I had grown a small cis.

She explained that last time I saw the consultant I could keep Maddy the Bladdy as I was low risk and the consultant was convinced I could not go low grade to high after having 21 BCG treatments and my last words to him on leaving was
Never say Never as he agreed the bladder is unpredictable

I now have MRI appointment, CT scan with thorack as she needs to check the lungs for anymore nodules and the usual cystoscopy end of Sept.

Once everything comes back I’ll see the consultant again and my nurse of 5 years is 99.9% certain it will be RS due to it was agreed if a cis grew then it was  bye bye to Maddy and all the bibs n bobs that accompany that surgery.

So I have a long waiting game of over two months for the tests etc then wait for appointment and results.

I was clear I would have Urostomy the bag rather than the Neo bladder.

Ive followed different discussion re both and my mind set was to be able to manage the process as easy as possible due to I do my daughters child care.

On reading it’s sounds either procedure is equally as difficult in the earlier stages.

I have two questions if anyone can offer advice or experience please.

I have colitis of the bowel and therefore was worried it would cause more issues having a pouch made for neo bladder any one with the same that had a neo bladder??? Also I get infections with catheters so how often would I need to self catheterise??

Second is by having a bag I forgot the night bag situation, and I have a hernia only small but I get a lot of acid and I’m allergic to plasters, not all but my concern is the stick on bag/pouch may irritate my skin as I get very sore when it flares up!

Has anyone got some honest answers, practical advice as I’ve found myself questioning my choices now the surgery looks like it’s now on the cards.

Thank you and I enjoy reading the details and information shared, the downside for me is I find it hard to read on line I wish there was actual people to talk to to meet and see how they manage the life changes. Opps sorry im waffling on

Much love  

  • Hi Giziecat. Sorry to hear it sounds as though you have a recurrence. The bladdy is not behaving itself. Anxious wait for you for test results. Can't help with your questions. Hopefully somebody can, but just wishing you good luck going forward. Best wishes. 

    Best wishes to All,   rily.

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  • Hi Rily

    Who knows I could be growing the odd something while I reply.

    My nurse needs the tests ready for the consultant to arrange RS.

    thank you for reading be safe

  • Hi Giziecat,If you do end up having Maddy removed then there are different makes of bags to try.The night bag plugs into the day bag.I’m sure the stoma nurses can advise you on the best type of bag if you have an allergy to plasters.For me it was easy to adjust to having a stoma.My bladder was severely diseased before cancer so it was no loss having it removed.I’m still able to do the garden and lead the life I had before.There is plenty of advice and support on here if you have a urostomy.The recovery process takes a while usually a few months and for some this is the worst part as it’s slow.Best wishes Jane

  • Hi Winkers60

    so sorry late reply, I’ve been trying on and off a few weeks but couldn’t access the group not sure what happened 

    Thank you for your support and yes I’m on the road preparing for surgery RC

    Today my CT Scan with Thorack and bladder with contrast dye

    16th Sept my pre assessment and fitness test.

    I need to swap consultants as I’ve asked for the robotic surgery but I was told that depends on my results, tests, etc so I’m crossing everything.

    My turbt in June removed the papillary shown by flexi but within the 3 weeks waiting for turbt I had grown a 1 cm CIS so no more chances left for Maddy we have to part.

    Funny as the consultant insisted with me in March I could never go low grade to high, I explained to him in the five year journey I started high risk, then low risk, then high risk then back to low risk while on BCG once they stopped my theory was I didn’t have that managing the level of risk so Maddy was solo.

    My oncologist nurse was not pleased he had said that to me so once our discussion was over she had a few words about the conversation while my daughter was present which in her eyes was belittling and un helpful 

    I also reminded him Never say Never as I’m the living proof

    I hope your well and if you have any tips for me before surgery or after I’m all ears and enjoy your holiday weekend.

    much love Lorraine x

  • Hi Lorraine,Good luck with your fitness tests and pre assessment.I hope you can get the robotic surgery.I was told to get myself as fit as possible before the op.Pack loose fitting clothes to take in as it’s usual for the stomach to be swollen afterwards.I’d also advise taking in some sanitary towels in case you have any post op leaking/bleeding.Not everyone gets it but I had it for some weeks afterwards.It’s important to shuffle/walk to get the bowels moving.You may be asked to bring in sugar free chewing gum as this helps to stimulate the bowels.They will give you plenty of pain relief if needed.Love and best wishes Jane xx

  • Hi Winkers60

    Thank you very much for those tips as I’ll be going into the unknown and advice and information is really key.

    may I ask did you have the robot surgery ? I’m very curious how all the body parts are removed though keyhole.

    If you think of anything else that will be helpful please feel free to message me 

    much love 

    Lorraine x

  • Hi Lorraine,I was scheduled to have all robotic surgery.The body parts are removed through the vagina in women.Before the op the surgeon said that very occasionally he had to revert to abdominal surgery.When I came round I had an abdominal scar as well as the robotic.It turned out that the tumour was much too bulky to take out via the vagina so it was removed via the abdomen.It is usual to be taken to intensive care following the surgery because it’s a big operation.Once they are happy everything is stable you will be moved to a ward.I spent 9 nights in hospital.You will feel tired and weak to begin with.It’s a good idea to have someone to be with you for the first few days when you come home.Love Jane xx

  • Aww thank you I did get told I’d go to intensive care also if they come across complications I will have surgery as well as robotic.

    I also was told the blood loss is heavy and the infection rate after is a possibility which I know the risks need to be shared.  However the risks of not having surgery in my mind will be far higher so as you mentioned I’m building up my fitness as I know it’s goi g to be important for smooth recovery,

    Im very grateful for you sharing with Jane it means a lot.

    love and lite always 

    Lorraine x

  • Hi Lorraine,They gave me strong antibiotics via a drip,I think that is probably standard treatment afterwards.I didn’t get an infection but my bowels didn’t work at all.This is not uncommon.I wasn’t warned about bleeding and I did bleed quite heavily and continued leaking for some weeks.The other thing they didn’t mention is leaking anally and that went on for a long time but others on here had the same.I found the recovery worse than the surgery because I was on my own during the pandemic so I got depressed.Finding an interesting hobby helped a lot.Love Jane xx

  • If your local hospital has a Maggies Centre, I recommend a visit to talk with them. I had a radical cysectomy in January & can help with any specific questions you may have about that. You can speak to a Stoma nurse to look at your plaster allergies & maybe try a few test bags to see how they affect you. The night bag is an additional larger bag that plugs into your regular daily bag to give extra capacity. I change my daily bag every other day.