After 1st being diagnosed with rectal cancer last September (24) and a regime of radiotherapy +chemo and then CAPOX Chemo going from January til June my OH was signed off with the oncologist and passed back to the surgical team.
We have now had a meeting with Surgeon yesterday
After being told OH had a very good response to radiotherapy & chemo the Tumour in the bowel has been reduced to just fibrous tissue but there is still some in one of his lymph nodes.
if it hadn’t still been in lymph he would have been offered watch & wait HOWEVER because there is still a bit in the lymph they are recommending APR surgery.
We always knew this will be an option but now it’s a reality it’s hit us both today like a ton of bricks.
Fortunately the surgeon has agreed to delay until after a family wedding in September (mid august was mentioned) so we have time to adjust and get our heads around it.
Can all you lovely peeps out there tell us your hints & tips for dealing with APR and getting used to a stoma.
Thank you
Bx
Hi Bella12
I am sorry that you have not yet had a response to your question but sometimes it can take a little while.
Hopefully by me replying it will bring it to the attention of someone who has had a APR and has had experience of a stoma.
I am pleased that your OH has shown a good response to the chemo and radiotherapy and can understand that it must have been hard to be told that there would be a need for further treatment.
I hope that the wedding goes well next month and during the time you both are able to adjust and prepare for the surgery.
This link has some general information that may help until you get a reply.
Hopefully you soon get a reply from someone who can offer some more specific advice but in the meantime we are here if you need us.
The Support Line is also there if you feel like you would like to talk things through with someone. They are there from 8am-8pm daily.
Jane
Hi Bella12
I’m sorry you didn’t get a reply sooner to your questions but hopefully others will now come along and be able to help. My experience was a bit different in that I didn’t have an APR, but I did have a total pelvic exenteration which involved amongst other things, losing my rectum and bladder and having two stomas formed, so there are some similarities in the magnitude of the surgery and the outcomes.
The news will be a lot to get your heads around and process, now it’s been confirmed, so you do need to both give yourselves time to absorb it, and be able to accept what’s next. I think it’s very good news you’re going to be able to attend a family wedding first and wait a little bit longer for surgery to happen.
I have a permanent colostomy now, as well as a urostomy with the loss of my bladder so became a double bagger immediately after my surgery. I had time in advance to get used to the idea of 2 stomas as I always knew it was going to happen, but it is an adjustment to make, both mentally and physically to have any stoma, and also an adjustment for the partner/carer.
When I woke from my surgery I was very sleepy and had a pump in my hand to deliver pain relief. I was in the high dependency unit for 2 nights and monitored carefully. I was allowed to have my partner visit but wasn’t really compos mentis during that time!
I had a number of drains and was on oxygen. I was visited by the stoma nurse when I got back to the ward and my stoma took a week to. “get going”. There was no concern about the time this took, as I did have wind coming through the stoma which showed it was working. The stoma nurses dealt with changing the bags initially, but they should show your husband how to do this and normally make sure he can do this himself successfully before discharge.
The stoma nurses will provide all the supplies needed, and give you some to take home, and will let you know the system for ordering future supplies. The stoma will change shape as healing takes place and things settle down and so it will be important to measure the stoma regularly (the stoma nurse will give you a template and show you how to do this).
I found it really helpful that my OH was not at all phased by my stomas. It can be a shock to see one, no matter how many pictures you look at online, but it helps not to show surprise and just accept that this is a necessary part of life going forward. It’s also helpful if you can be involved initially in changing the bag and getting used to it. There might be times when your husband is too tired or weak to manage himself and will appreciate another pair of hands!
I’d recommend getting a waterproof mattress cover in advance and some incontinence pads to lie on. Bags in the early days can burst or leak, which can be quite upsetting, but ensuring that the hole in the bag is cut to the correct size can really help in avoiding this.
Initially the output (poo) for me was very liquid so I used a drainable colostomy bag, but things can change as time goes on and it’s very possible to try multiple different products to see what’s best for the individual. The stoma nurse can advise, and you can request free samples to try. Typically the output with a colostomy has a more solid consistency in time and changing the bag and cleaning becomes second nature with practice.
This major surgery will be very tiring and there is a lot of healing to do both internally and externally, so resting is a big part of recovery. Try not to expect too much too soon, and it’s important for your OH to listen to his body and not to try to do too much. Having any kind of stoma can cause a hernia (parastomal hernia) so it’s important not to lift any heavy items for example.
I hope this has helped a bit, but please feel free to ask any questions as you think of them and hopefully others who’ve had the APR will reply too.
Sarah xx
I replied to you in the bowel cancer forum but have a few things to add.
I had a total pelvic exenteration surgery like Sarah so my surgical experience was different.
In terms of getting used to the stoma, it helps to be informed in advance. Read as much as you can. Be careful to select reliable sources. There's also some great YouTube videos.
Once he has the stoma, you both should learn how to change the bag. Most of the time, he should do this on his own but in case he is incapacitated for some reason, you will want to be able to help. My husband helped me for the first couple weeks after I got home but I've been self-sufficient since then.
Be aware that you will likely have some problems to start. It is normal to make mistakes and sometimes it takes a little time to find the right system. It gets better! I promise. Before you know it, it becomes a routine part of life.
Hi
Had Panproctocolectomy with APR on 1st July and new permanent iliostomy.
5 weeks post-op and things are very manageable. I was in hospital 8 days, pain was really well-controlled and luckily no infections and my wound healing well. I’m still very cautious in my movements as I don’t want to jinx anything.
After I came home took a few days to get into a routine, just took it all slowly. Had some leaks and skin problems initially but after trying several different pouch options hopefully have things sorted much better now. Have started heading out and socialising again and back to driving last week which is great. Still need the valley cushion to site down comfortably for more than a few minutes but with that I’m good. Even made a bag for it so I just carry over shoulder and plonk my “throne” down wherever I go.
My pouch change routine is much faster now than when I started and have no issues with emptying.
Asking loads of questions and planning ahead really helped.
Luckily my background was working in project management in GI and oncology drug development and clinical research so I had a good idea upfront what was coming. But I did all the prep I could - good nutrition, core strengthening exercises, and being open and chatting with my husband and friends about what was coming. Not for the squeamish but I even watched some on-line APRs. As soon as I came after the op I started breathing exercises just quietly on my own and got dressed and out of bed as soon as I could, then started laps of the ward.
I’m the opposite way round though and will be starting Capox (as 2 positive lymph nodes) in 3-4 weeks although no mets found.
I’ve booked a private physio tomorrow as I want to get prepared for my chemo now and get a series of exercises I can do safely at home without risking hernias. Also booked for shingles and pneumococcal vaccines, before my immune system gets zapped.
I’ve read lots, watched videos, had to gently push back to my GP as he tried to prescribe a modified release drug (he hadn’t read the part of the BNF which specifies not suitable for iliostomies), had to request vaccines, blood tests etc. Somethings seem to fit between different Health care specialists eg - oncologist said ask GP about vaccines, and GP said ask oncologist. Physios were great but I had to ask them to try stairs before I came home as I didn’t want to have a problem after the hour’s drive home, just keep thinking ahead.
Gentle persistence and a day at a time, take all the rest needed to recover and plan treats! I can’t believe how fast the last 5 weeks have flown by.
Wishing you both all the best
Hi JBUK99 that’s great to know thank you for sharing. OH is very focused on getting fit before the op so I’m expecting him to be like that after.
I hope your recovery continues well & that you get through the Capox ok. Get ready for the neuropathy- get some wheat bags to heat up & have ready for your arm/hand after & during infusion they really helped him. Also he made sure he drank at least 1.5lts of water each day to help flush out the chemo - no nausea or sickness throughout . Good luck !! I started a thread called CAPOX Journey which has some great input from many people on getting through it - really helped us x
That’s really useful thanks. Hydration now a massive thing for me - I started tracking my fluid intake before my op as I really had no idea what volume I drank in a day. I found the recommendations quite vague - 8 glasses a day. So I measured vol in ml, was pleased I did as I now drink more volume but less as water as really trying to avoid dehydration as I have no colon to reabsorb water now so I lose more every day. Same for salt - now have to eat about a teaspoon extra through day in my meals. Small more frequent meals. Best tasting sugar-free hydration salts I’ve found are ORS - available from Amazon - I take 2 tabs in 200ml once a day.
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