Caring for a very high output stoma due to short bowel

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Hello

I have a teenage son who has just 12 cm of jejunum leading to a high output (3 litres a day) stoma, due to major surgery last year. The output is so high he has to use urostomy pouches with a catheter bag attached, which he has to carry everywhere in a case to conceal it. Without it he would be going to the toilet to empty the pouch every 15 minutes. Before this he had an ileostomy for 4 years, so he was very experienced in caring for a stoma and continues to do his stoma care himself. However, he is finding the high output stoma an immense challenge to care for compared to the ileostomy, as the output is so acidic and the output is also almost continuous. He generally keeps the skin around it in good condition but only by applying Sudocrem for at least 4 hours a day with the pouch off to soothe the acid burnt narrow ring which arises daily between the stoma and the edge of the base plate hole.

After this, he then takes ages to apply two coats of barrier spray and wait for it to dry, and then takes ages waiting for a gap in output to try to place the pouch successfully.

Leaks and more extended areas of burnt skin are generally avoided by his careful pouch placement and skin care, but, when they happen, they cause a vicious circle of the base plate not sticking due to the weeping skin, causing more leaking, etc etc.

Several hours of stoma care a day is hugely impacting his education and ability to lead any form of normal life and we are desperate to get products which cause less burn, or quicker healing of burnt skin, as this would reduce daily stoma care time. The local stoma nurse is very kind, but says that resolving problems is trial and error and different things work for different people. I get this to some extent, but I was hoping for product recommendations from her which are known to work for a liquid acidic high output stoma and protect the skin around it.

I therefore thought I would try an appeal for advice to those of you out there managing a similar type of stoma and output. I have seen various tips and products recommended on this and other forums, and wonder if anyone with a short bowel and stoma can recommend any of the following suggestions I have come across, or suggest others, as I am reluctant for my son to try some without more detailed guidance:

  • Independence Fusion barrier glue for better pouch adhesion under acid attack
  • Sterile medical manuka honey for healing the daily acid burnt skin
  • Applying Gaviscon directly to the area which gets burnt, like a cream apparently!!
  • Eakin stoma wraps (we have some samples but they don't seem at all sticky enough!)

Thank you! 

  • Hi . Gosh your son has a lot to cope with doesn’t he? Does his supplier have a help line that you can ring? I’ve seen comments previously suggesting egg whites to soothe and  help but I’ve never tried it myself. When I had my Ileostomy I found the Salts Confidence bags with aloe Vera to be good. They also do a mouldable ring with aloe Vera which is like a giant stretchy washer - I found these to be good because you can tear them into smaller pieces. My stoma was a bit floppy so I always struggled getting the bag up close to the stoma before it started sticking so I just used to put a quarter of one of these rings on first over the bit that always seemed to get sore and it really protected it and filled the space before putting the bag on over the top.

    I presume the usual suggestions of immodium, marshmallows, jelly babies etc. are having little effect on his output? Unfortunately our resident expert on this board has not been available for a while but if you type sore skin into the search box at the top of the screen it will bring up past posts which may help?

    Hope you are able to find something to help him

    Take care

    Karen x

    Macmillan Support Line - 0808 808 00 00, 7 days a week between 8am-8pm
  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Kareno62

    Hi Karen

    Many thanks for your suggestions. My son has an extremely limited diet to keep his gut output as low as possible because all his nutrition and hydration have to come from a daily drip - his bowel is too short to absorb nutrients or water. Unfortunately, this means he cannot take Imodium etc.

    I did quite a few searches relevant to my son’s situation before posting on the forum but for some reason hadn’t specifically searched “sore skin”, so thank you for that suggestion – it yielded some useful tips to consider. As you have recommended, many posts suggest stretchy washers of some sort. My son once tried one several years ago with his ileostomy which didn’t work at all, but I think that  there are now other brands out there which seem worth trying with his new stoma, as many posts like yours say that they are very helpful. I assume they should stick to the skin really well? The one he tried previously did not, causing awful leaks, but by the sound of things he shouldn’t let that put him off trying again.

    Meanwhile my son has just started trying samples of Independence Fusion (which I think was recommended by the resident expert you mention in some of his previous posts). This product seems promising so far for some of my son’s issues, so fingers crossed! It is something we had not come across being recommended anywhere else.

    Thank you again. This seems like such a helpful forum! It makes up for a lack of comprehensive support from NHS services in many cases for all those having problems that are so life-impacting.

  • Hi Fushia21.

    Your Son sounds remarkable. He has a lot to deal with just getting through his teenage years.
    I am new to ileostomy however when I was released from hospital my skin around the stoma was red raw and the stoma looked an odd shape . The Stoma nurses gave me six eakin slims. They’re like putty but the don’t stick to the stoma so I couldn’t damage it  and convex bags. When I ran out the burning started again and the skin was bright red.
    Thankfully now I have enough for every change. I leave mine round then pull out to a slightly  smaller shape than the cut hole of the bag. Then place it over stoma closely it doesn’t really stick it cushions and protects the skin giving a barrier and helps with leakage. Then on with the bag. My skin now looks healthy and I don’t seem to have the burning sensation.
    I really hope that your son finds these helpful. With very best wishes. Artsie 

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to Artsie
    Dear Artsie
    Thank you very much for your helpful information. I am really pleased that your post surgery problems have been sorted by the Eakin slims.
    My son used to have an ileostomy for several years before his high jejunostomy, and tried a similar product to the Eakin slims at the time, but he found that it did not stick well to his skin around the stoma, causing leaks underneath the slim. He has recently been given some samples of the Eakin slims to try with his jejunostomy. However, when seeing one of these, he feels it does not seem very sticky, so he is reluctant to try it as he thinks it will not stick well to the skin and cause leaks underneath.
    In short, by not being as sticky as a pouch base plate, my son can't see how the slims will stop liquid output leaking underneath them. Do you agree that the Eakin slims do not seem very sticky? In your experience, do you feel that, in spite of not seeming as sticky as a pouch base plate, somehow the slims really do stop leaks going underneath the slim? If you can give us a bit further information from your experience, it may give my son the confidence to give them a try and not to worry about their lack of stickiness, and this could be game-changing if they work! 
    Many thanks
  • Hi Fushia

    i am very new to my ileostomy so my experience is limited. The slims aren’t glue like more putty with a sticky feel.  
    I would imagine that the size of the stoma might have an affect it’s efficiency on leakage.  

    Mine works similar to a washer mainly around the base of my stoma the convex bag pushes it tight as my stoma is not very high.I wear a belt attached to the bag and big pants to give me more security. 


    I hope that your son can find a better way to allow him some freedom from worrying about managing his output soon.

    with best wishes. Artsie.

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • i have a prolapsed stoma which is two inches long add pointing upwards when i go to bed i get a leak straight away i used o oakmed 4020 bag now they stopped making them idiots i have change twice a day

  • The company I use for my Stoma care is called securicare. They are the best company I have ever used for anything. They might be able to help or sign post you.

    Kath
    "don't think about tomorrow"