CLL and bone pain

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Our health system though it has considerable benefits, has its limitations, especially around patient information. I am a 48 year old who is experiencing an unwillingness by my haemo's  to accept the additional discomfort of quickly progressing bone pain, I often feel that they look at me as if I am imagining it! Night sweats and fatigue I accept as normal evils I live with, because early therapy is not a wish of mine. Holding off as long as possible is the policy I wish to follow, knowing that the first chemo tends to be the most effective and that respite is something to look forward to.

The bone pain issue is at the heart of my concern, it appears that many of my age group in the UK are experiencing this, and or combined with quickly progressing early onset of OA. I understand that the highest populations of CLLers are elders and these symptoms and conditions would normally be present. Have you experienced or heard of this within the wider CLL population. We as a whole are a relatively small community and age bands further reduce our numbers so any  observations you can offer would be of interest.

 

 Pain discomfort is a difficult topic as we all seem to have different thresholds. I think that when your limits are tested you may consider any thing that will provide even temporary respite.  I have remembered that when my mother was troubled with pain during her fight with  bowel cancer, that she swore by acupuncture, I know in hindsight that her's was a little more extreme, so I "poo pooed" the therapy as a placebo and was just only too pleased that she felt that it helped!( perhaps I was wrong)?

 

Exercise seems to have two sides: It seems to aggravate joint and bone pain and increase the effect of fatigue, but is always uplifting even if you suffer afterwards. So manipulative therapy’s something I try to self regulate. But this does bring me to another Question/topic: As an avid gardener whilst tackling work on projects according to my physical ability at the time, I have noticed that the summer sun played a major part in reducing my discomfort last summer,

 

Now as a new member I am encountering the latest "buzz" around the benefit of maintaining your vitamin D levels. As my bone pain is increasing rapidly and there is a deficiency of sunlight, especially here in WALES in the winter perhaps this is playing a part? I know my WBC count was much more elevated last winter and peaked in the 9 to 10 range. But it settled back into 6 to 8 during the summer. One of the results of gardening is an excess of fresh fruit and veg, plus the suntan! So perhaps this lends a little weight to both diet and vitamin D as major influences in managing my CLL symptoms? The thing is we all have formed opinions on what we are willing to consider and we won't cross those boundaries unless we can see reasonable proven evidence of their benefit. In my case that normally needs to be accompanied with an actual explanation as to why it may work.  

 

New friends have already given me lists to aid me in my research and I will continue to digest things at a pace my mind will allow. Although I feel that the CLL may be "ramping” up a little again I will not be blinded by the "quacks" but am willing to consider most experiences at face value. I am due a 3 monthly visit to the hematologist,

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    Hi all,Interesting to read your first post Hairbear, and the following comments.Personally I feel that we need to separate the problems we have. They are not necessary caused one by the other. I had Spondylosis first (aged 37 yrs) which causes a lot of pain in my neck and shoulders and has more recently continued down to between my shoulder blades .In 2000 I was diagnosed with PMR (Poly Myalgia Rheumatica - inflammation of the connective tissue, muscles, tendons etc). The only treatment for this is steroids (which compromise the immune system).In 2006 I was diagnosed with Cold Urticaria (an allergy to cold). When temperature drops to 12 degrees or less I really suffer. Even on a summers day if there is a slight chill in the wind I suffer. My skin literally 'burns' all over, even the well wrapped parts. It goes bright orange and then starts to itch like you wouldn't believe! At first I was prescribed antihistamines to stop the itching, one a day, but I stopped taking them as they made me sleepy. Over the past few years I have developed some osteoarthritis in my hips, knees and one big toe! The past 3 years I have felt unwell with various symptoms but no real knowledge of what it could be. In July this year I was diagnosed with CLL and am now on the 'watch and wait' programme. I take 2 paracetamols four times daily for the pain (from all these things) as well as the steroids. A bout of near depression in February meant my vitamin D levels were checked and found lacking. I now take vit D with calcium, two a day. My bones were scanned in June (because I am on steroids) and were fiound to have thinned so the calcium was also recommended for that (killed two birds with one stone there!). As my joint and muscle pains and the spondylosis all came along before the CLL I don't really believe they are connected. Other than that, I am no wiser than the next person. I am just hoping to keep going long enough to die in my sleep - but not for some time yet! I am not looking forward to chemotherapy. In the meantime I want to try and get out and about as much as I can when possible. I do hope all of you find solutions to your various poroblems and would agree wholeheartedly that the sun does help. I am much happier in the warmth and dread the coming of winter when I am stuck inside for the most part.Love to everyone.Lizzy x

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    Hi there,I stumbled across your very well written post just now after yet another sleepless night filled with aches and pains from my CLL. I'm 42 and I was diagnosed about three years ago. Like you, my haemotologist does not accept that my pain is caused by CLL. Also like you, I live in a rainy climate (Vancouver, Canada) and I am wondering how your experiments with vitamin D have gone. Can you please post an update?

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    <p>Hi All, just came on this website while looking for information on CLL and leg cramps and pain. I just read an article and comments from Dr Ghia, the leading authority on CLL, his comment in answer to a question were that leg pain and cramp do happen , but was very rare. I have been having them for about 3 years now and they take all my energy to cope, they sometime last20 to 30 minutes. I was diagnosed in 2001 and my count rose steady and in 2005 I was treated with oral Chemo, it pull my numbers down and increase my platelets I was treated again in 2007 ,same results, again in 2010 this one has lasted until now2017, my energy stinks, but the leg cramps and pain is what are the worse, I have a appointment&nbsp; with my Doctor Monday, I&#39;m sure it time for another treatment, I just hope it with help with the legs. They always check for knots or beeds in the arm pit and neck, but mine seem to be in my legs behind the knees. Otherwise i&#39;m ok for my age of 83. I wish you all better health and smooth sailing.</p>

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    <p>Hello, I am new to CLL. My friend has one symptom, as this is slow developing, I&#39;m worried if it actually CLL or not. As you are already going through this, kindly help me figure it out. 

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    She actually is a dancer and never had any problem with joints. A few days after joining aerobics, she felt pain in left knee. Many doctors said it was nothing. Then she tried a homeopathy doctor and after using those medicines she found a pain in the left shoulder. This is around 1year 8 months back. When she stopped usinh those medicines there was no pain in the shoulder but knee pain persisted. 6 months back she preformed a dance and her knee pain became severe, she went to a well known specialist and in MRI she found out it is Meniscus tear in the knee, and all other reports of bone density are normal. She has vitamin D deficiency because of her job. After using medicines for 4months her pain in the knee still remained while this pain the shoulder (not in the armpit) came back during this time. There is no swelling anywhere. There are no night sweats. There is no pain in the lymph node areas. She is still very active and from 1 year she is maintaining her weight. Her flu infections cure at a normal rate. Except that burning sensation in shoulders and hands (more in left shoulder than right shoulder) is more at night. She still doesn&#39;t have night sweats and fever. These pains sometimes feel like they are in muscles (when we press the hand she feels a little relief) and sometimes in bones. These are not muscle cramps, just burning feeling that is all.

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    With, the time duration and the symptoms that subdued for some time and returned later after using medicines, in mind, kindly let me know if we should be worried of CLL.

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    I hope to hear from you soon.

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    Thank you.

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    <p>Hello, I have CLL, and for the past year have been experiencing really bad migraines, having to stay in bed for 2 days to recover each time. I have now started experiencing excruciating pain in my legs and arms, cramping and spasms, and then not being able to walk very well for hours afterwards... I am thinking that this must be due to the blood deficiency, and wondering if there is something I can take to help alleviate the pain... I go to see a haematologist 2wice a year, for check ups, and so far am on &quot;watch and wait&quot; but know that there must be other things that I could be doing to help with the pain, and keep me active for as long as possible, and also keep working too... I am 51 years old.... any thoughts would be great, thank you.

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