CLL and bone pain

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Our health system though it has considerable benefits, has its limitations, especially around patient information. I am a 48 year old who is experiencing an unwillingness by my haemo's  to accept the additional discomfort of quickly progressing bone pain, I often feel that they look at me as if I am imagining it! Night sweats and fatigue I accept as normal evils I live with, because early therapy is not a wish of mine. Holding off as long as possible is the policy I wish to follow, knowing that the first chemo tends to be the most effective and that respite is something to look forward to.

The bone pain issue is at the heart of my concern, it appears that many of my age group in the UK are experiencing this, and or combined with quickly progressing early onset of OA. I understand that the highest populations of CLLers are elders and these symptoms and conditions would normally be present. Have you experienced or heard of this within the wider CLL population. We as a whole are a relatively small community and age bands further reduce our numbers so any  observations you can offer would be of interest.

 

 Pain discomfort is a difficult topic as we all seem to have different thresholds. I think that when your limits are tested you may consider any thing that will provide even temporary respite.  I have remembered that when my mother was troubled with pain during her fight with  bowel cancer, that she swore by acupuncture, I know in hindsight that her's was a little more extreme, so I "poo pooed" the therapy as a placebo and was just only too pleased that she felt that it helped!( perhaps I was wrong)?

 

Exercise seems to have two sides: It seems to aggravate joint and bone pain and increase the effect of fatigue, but is always uplifting even if you suffer afterwards. So manipulative therapy’s something I try to self regulate. But this does bring me to another Question/topic: As an avid gardener whilst tackling work on projects according to my physical ability at the time, I have noticed that the summer sun played a major part in reducing my discomfort last summer,

 

Now as a new member I am encountering the latest "buzz" around the benefit of maintaining your vitamin D levels. As my bone pain is increasing rapidly and there is a deficiency of sunlight, especially here in WALES in the winter perhaps this is playing a part? I know my WBC count was much more elevated last winter and peaked in the 9 to 10 range. But it settled back into 6 to 8 during the summer. One of the results of gardening is an excess of fresh fruit and veg, plus the suntan! So perhaps this lends a little weight to both diet and vitamin D as major influences in managing my CLL symptoms? The thing is we all have formed opinions on what we are willing to consider and we won't cross those boundaries unless we can see reasonable proven evidence of their benefit. In my case that normally needs to be accompanied with an actual explanation as to why it may work.  

 

New friends have already given me lists to aid me in my research and I will continue to digest things at a pace my mind will allow. Although I feel that the CLL may be "ramping” up a little again I will not be blinded by the "quacks" but am willing to consider most experiences at face value. I am due a 3 monthly visit to the hematologist,

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  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Hairbear,

    All the best on your visit to the Hematologist.

    Take care and be safe Sarsfield.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Hairbair

    I think i've already mentioned in another chat about my bonepain & lower back/kidneys aching.

    The docs seem to dismiss this as if pain & Fatigue are all in our mind.

    Be careful of the sun, we are more susceptible to damage & skin cancer, (i am especially as i take immunosuppressants).

    All the best with your Haemo visit, keep us informed.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hello Hairbear

    I was interested to hear what you say about

    vitamin D levels.  A potted history - I was diagnosed with MCL in 08 and have been NED for 18 months now.

    I've been suffering from bone pain and skin tightness on my legs.  I also get terrible cramp in my legs and feet which, when I get it, just wont go away.

    when i saw my consultant i mentioned the cramp and he checked my previous blood test and saw that my Vitamin D levels were a "little low", so checked it out again and turns out my vitamin D level is now 13.5 (lower than the last test) and aparently it should be over 20.

    So, I'm now having to take vitamin D and calcium.  I've only been taking it for 3 days, so no change yet!  Also after being told for the last 2 1/2 years to stay out of the sun, I'm now being told to get "a bit of sun", bit tricky when you live in Herefordshire!

    I'll let you know if the vitamins help.

    Take care

    Jo

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Thankyou all for your comments, Yeh what a quandery if your a sun lover, and your CLL wants the vitamin D. I  wasn't pleased when I found that out, I can see myself now gardening in rubber gloves a face mask and smeared in sun block.  LOL

    Jo, I also suffer the cramps and problems with the extremities, nights are becoming a real pain. I used to love waking up fresh, somtimes now waking up is worse than going to sleep!! I am going to have my vitD levels done again, since starting the suppliment, there is no knowing how this may affect levels, as you quite rightly suggest. Mine may have been falling at the moment of my last test.. I have now updated this blog with another. but will ping you as a friend, for I keep forgetting to check blog responses.

    Take care Nick

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hello CLL friends, and Hairbear for bringing up this issue. I have CLL diagnosed August 2007. About 18 month ago pains came up in finger and thigh bones. I just stayed 2 weeks in a hospital for pain therapy, but no real success. I perhaps can now cope a little better with my pain but I still can´t sleep in the night. I just had yesterday an appointment in the hospital where my CLL is being observed.

    The suggestion is to start a chemo therapy even the Doc said . bone pain are not known to him from other CLL patients.  It seems almost incredible  that the Doc is specialized in diagnoses and treatments for CLL and other leukaemias.

    My pain is becoming stronger from week to week and sometimes I become pain attacks which knocks me done for at least two days in bed. With the last pain attackes a strong pain in my hip joint remains. The situation is quite strange and Docs have not idea whats going on at me. The Doc, mentioned before has the following explaination regarding bone pain :

    CLL patients are most involed in studies. All of them have to report about all changes and problems they could notice. Hence they reporting also about back pain and other kind of pain etc. which has no correlation to the blood disease CLL. As pain is a very common complain by elderly persons it may appear inadvertedly that the pain appears in conjunction with the CLL.

    The explaination is far away from that what I experiencing and that what I believe.

    My blood values are so far ok, apart from my Thrombos which leads me to the Binet C stage.

    My spleen isvery large and my other nodes are also swollen but not so extremly as my spleen.

    Sorry for my bad English, I´m coming from Germany but found these helpful community accidentally two days ago. Any suggestion how to reduce bone pain ? ( I already getting acupuncture and osteopathy for weeks, but could not realise a remarkable improvement)

    Thank you and all the best for all of you,

    Cheers

    Balthasar