Unclear and/or definitive CTCL diagnosis

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First, I want to say how grateful I am to have this community. I was hesitant at first to get involved, but realized quickly, that my fear or reluctance is not going to help anyone else who has found themselves in my situation or a similar one. So, I will share my story and hopefully it will be beneficial to me and to others. My story started back in 11/17. I had a small spot come up on right cheek and a tiny spot on my left elbow. The spot on my elbow was flesh colored, about the size of a pencil eraser, and was really only visible when I scratched or rubbed it. It itched a lot and often. The spot on my cheek was pinkish red and was about the size of the end of a chapstick. It itched as well, but not as often as my elbow. I thought both were probable bites that I had gotten when getting Christmas decorations out of storage. I have been bitten by a brown recluse before and was concerned, to say the least. I went to the general practitioner to be checked and they didn’t see any cause for concern and said to take a preventative antibiotic and use an OTC cortisone cream. That diagnosis didn’t sit well and I decided to go see a dermatologist. On 12/22/17 the dermatologist looked at my cheek and felt that I could safely use the cream for two weeks and then come back in if it had not gone away. The elbow was still insignificant at the time, other than the itching. I asked for my peace of mind that they do a biopsy on my cheek and they agreed. I went back to get the stitches out and my biopsy results were not back. They were doing further test with dyes to try and get a definitive diagnosis. On the morning of 1/8/18 I got the call and had to be at my dermatologist’s office within the hour. My diagnosis was CD4 positive T lymphoproliferative disorder with marked folliculotropism and the differential diagnosis was small/medium CD4+ T-cell cutaneous lymphoproliferative disorder with unusual degree of epithelial involvement and folliculotropic mycosis fungoides.  My dermatologist did her best to explain to me what they thought it might be, but could not give a clear diagnosis.  She had seen patients with mycosis fungoides and Sézary syndrome, but mine did not look or present like either of those. It was unclear to all of us. They made me an appointment with the oncologist and I was in their office two days later. Within a week I had my initial blood flow cytometry report done and a PET/CT done. The scans came back great and no signs of lymph node involvement or cancer. The blood work had some ambiguity, but was attributed to normal cold/viral probability. There was a subset T-cells that expressed bright CD4 without significant co-expression of CD7, but overall the CD4+/CD7 favored reactive CD4+ memory T cells over T-cell neoplasia, (new, abnormal growth). Since then I have been back for more blood work and it closely resembles the first report. I went back and had a biopsy on my elbow, at my own insistence. It came back with another inconclusive/non-definitive diagnosis of minimal cutaneous involvement y clonal t-cell infiltrate, but findings were generally not diagnostic of lymphoma. Both my oncologist and dermatologist won’t commit to a diagnosis, saying it could go either way. It may never re-occur or could change in weeks, months, or even years.  I have been told to use the Triamcinolone Acetonide cream on both places, that are almost completely gone, other than the small scars. I am in my early 50’s and going through menopause. I do have hot flashes and night sweats, but they believe those are as a result of my hormones. I have made a follow-up appointment with my gynecologist to do labs. I am working on getting a second opinion, but finding a doctor with enough experience is proving tenuous.  I presently do not have a rash, patches, or plaques. I go back for follow-up testing in May, unless something new presents. I don’t have a lot of information to share or insight, but I thought if I share my journey from the beginning it may help someone else. I am praying that this journey stops here, but if not I will walk it out and share it with you here. That may be easier said than done, but I will certainly try my best to add as much of my experience to this discussion as I can. I am relying on my faith and Godly direction and wisdom. If I hadn’t had that Holy Ghost unction to go to another doctor, I am not sure where I would be. This has turned out to be a far cry from no big deal. Love and blessings from the U.S. 

  • Hi  and welcome to the Macmillan Online Community but we are always sorry to see new members. Can I also give an extra welcome from across the great pond from the Highlands of Scotland.

    Thank you so much for sharing your story and I truly hope and pray that your condition does not develop any further than it has so far and the next few months can mark the end of this suspected Blood Cancer journey.

    In 1999 my Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma journey commenced. After 9 months of investigations into various skin issues by my very good GP then a further year of attending Dermatology with lots of blood tests, 7 biopsies and a few CTs. I was eventually diagnosed with CTCL (Mycosis Fungodes). I have a very experienced and nationally respected Dermatologist and he did have his suspicions about CTCL (MF) but it just took time to get the pathology spot on.

    For 14 years the condition looked like I had very bad Psoriasis and I often had a 70% body coverage. My condition moved through all the stages up to 4a2. My Dermatologist told me “Mike there is no cure to this type of Blood Cancer and you are living with a time bomb that does not have a countdown clock and one day the bomb will go off and become life threatening” So I parked these thoughts and lived, worked and enjoyed life throughout these 14 years - it never held me back.

    5 years back my condition did become life threatening so I went on to have some challenging and life changing treatments and the long and full story can be seen in my profile by hitting my forum name.

    We also have a very supportive forum where people of Faith can support one another and share their Faith on their cancer journeys (link)

    Please take care and keep us up to date with how you get on.

    Mike (Thehighlander)

    It always seems impossible until its done - Nelson Mandela

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    FormerMember in reply to Thehighlander

    Thank you for sharing your story. Your post are one of the reasons I decided to become a part of this discussion group. I am in awe of the lack of information and knowledge that surrounds Cutaneous Lymphoma. I know that RARE disease day is tomorrow, but only because I have been doing research. How can that be?  If our stories can make the journey for someone any easier to navigate, I am all for that. My family and I will be praying for you and everyone that is walking this path. I am grateful for the connection and your willingness to share your story. I still have so many questions. Maybe, I will ask a few at a time here and see if you or anyone else has any answers/insight or helpful guidance. I’m sure my questions are similar to those of every newly diagnosed patient and/or their caretaker. 

  • Hi, there is a small group who post here in the NHL group or on the Lymphoma ass. site and are helping each other deal with CL, a couple have B cell rather than T cell as well which is even rarer. Good to see you joining in as it really does help newly diagnosed people to she how others deal with this and what treatments they have had and why, as now 2 stories are ever the same.

    John 

    we all know this is a roller coaster ride, where we ride blind, never knowing where the highs and lows are
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    FormerMember in reply to johnr

    Thank you. Hopefully, our stories together will help someone. 

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    Hi livingby faith. Like you I found a tiny spot on my stomach last November 2017 . Thought it was a bite or heat lump but then the spot got inflamed and red and angry looking. Had it dressed at my GP who said it was an abcess. It went even more red and infected so had to have it removed under general anaesthetic in hospital. That was when the cancer was found. They said it is Cutaneous T cell non hodgkin lymphoma. Such a shock and very scary news. I then had a Pet scan which was completely clear so I was overjoyed and enjoyed Christmas with my family. In January though I found another spot very similar two three inches from the original. Had a biopsy done and it was the cancer again. My consultant in haematology arranged for me to have three weeks radiotherapy on the two spots to hopefully clear any remaining cancerous cells But I have now a further spot on my leg just below my knee so treatment has been stopped and I am having a biopsy done on my leg on 1st March. So worried about it all . Good to talk to someone going through it too though I really do hope you will be in the clear. It's a rare one and not many of us on here. John and the highlander are lovely on here and really help with kind words and encouragement. Sending you every good wish and hugs x

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    Crazy how similar that sounds and around the same time. Have they had a blood flow cytometry report done? Is it only in the skin or in your blood, too?  Are you itching all over or just the spots? Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what is radiotherapy? Is that radiation on the spots of concern. I think messing with mine on my face made it worse. Maybe not, but that's how it seemed to appear to me and its progression. My spots are gone other than the small scars from the biopsy procedures. I had an appointment scheduled with a surgeon, but the oncologist said that it wasn't necessary. That seemed odd, because with Melanoma and other skin cancers they go in and take the area until they get an all clear. My understanding is that  if its in the skin, they can't surgically remove all traces of it from your body and that mine I guess was taken care of with the biopsy. It's all to much for me to understand. So much I still don't know or understand. I know you must be overwhelmed! I will be praying for you and the pending procedure and results. How is your spot on your stomach now? I pray that you  and your medical team find some answers and a plan. Do you have a knowledgable doctor on this subject? I pray you do. I am trying to get a second and third opinion or find someone in US. 

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    Katy Lou, I know that you must be afraid of the unknown. If I have seen one thing on these sites, it has been that there is hope. I am trying not to obsess over what I don't know and the future. It is true that we can't change anything by worrying, except maybe make our condition worse. This diagnosis makes you take stock of your life and what's important. I am a Christian, so my faith is what is sustaining me. I believe that my days were written even before I was born and    ONLY God knows how long that is.  CTL may be a part of that journey, but it did not write my story and God will be the one to pen how it ends. It's not always easy!! I just have determined to walk out what I profess to believe and have faith. It sounds like you have a medical team that is on top of your care. Now you have me, the others on this site, and all my prayer warriors.   While I don't know your future or mine, I will be praying and pulling for all of us and will be glad to listen to your fears and hopes. So, when you get overwhelmed and scared don't go it alone. Even if we all can just read and listen, that's what this is all about. 

  • This is a great thread and the more information we gather the better for everyone in this rather exclusive T-Cell club.

    CTCL in general will cause skin lesions. But although the skin is involved, the skin cells themselves are not cancerous, but rather the T -Cells that move from the blood in and through the skin tissue. It is VERY important to understand that folks can live normal lives for many years and CTCL can be seen and treated as a chronic health illness.

    CTCL describes many different disorders with various symptoms, outcomes, and treatment considerations but Mycosis Fungoides (MF) is the most common type of CTCL with approximately 5 cases per one million persons across the the UK and United States. So obviously there is a lack of research and development :(

    My amazing Dermatologists said in the very early days of my condition that 'MF could not be cut out' as this does not solve the problem as the cancer is not in the skin but in my blood hence new areas appearing anywhere on the body. Where the blood flows then it can show its face.

    Over the first 14 years I had lots of treatments including various steroid creams, 20 weeks every year (2/3 times a week) for UVB then PUVA light treatments at my local hospital - I must have had 900+ visits to Dermatology for clinics and light treatments during that time. One time I did end up with 2nd degree burns on my bum as the PUVA machine did not switch off but the member of staff thankfully noticed so she switched it off. It was only 4/5 seconds but the damage was done. 

    As these 14 years progressed my condition progressed so I also had to use special padded dressings over all the tumorous areas as the tumours would bleed. I also had Interferon alfa (a) injected weekly subcutaneously under all my tumorous areas and various retinoid drugs including Acitretin and finally Bexarotene.

    Bexarotene did a great job but my Cholesterol went up to 12.2 and my Thyroid was closing down so the Bexarotene was reduced and various other drugs were used to get these new issues under control but this allowed my main CTCL to get out of control.

    So only then was External Beam Radiotherapy (link) used on my large tennis ball sized tumour on my head so I had 5 zaps and after a month it was gone but it did not solve my Blood Cancer. 

     - Radiotherapy uses high-energy rays to destroy cancer cells. This treatment is used to cure cancer or to relieve symptoms but it should not be used if other treatments can be used as the effects of Radiotherapy can have long-lasting health issues in the future.

     had a few sessions of TSEBT (Total Skin Electron Beam Therapy) and it was effective but only for about a year. He has also had 3 sessions of Arthovoltage that has been very effective. Lets see if Ridgeway picks up on this thread.

    My team did look at TSEBT for me but my condition had moved on so more drastic treatments were required.

    Keep your questions coming.

    Highlander ((hugs)) from a cold and Narnia looking Highlands.

    Mike (Thehighlander)

    It always seems impossible until its done - Nelson Mandela

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    FormerMember in reply to Thehighlander

    Hello All... yes Highlander a very good thread with lots of information. One very important POINT already made but made again..  this disease is chronic and a blinking nuisance but can be controlled ..although sometimes you have to wait to get the right control.

    I have been on Bexarotene for 5 months now.. 3 months at the 600mg full dose. My dermatologist thinks it has not worked. I think it is working my MSwat (% skin coverage is 50 .. about 10% below the start...patches on the legs have disappeared and I mainly have patches rather than plaques.. however my back is very bad and new patches are appearing on hands feet and face)

    So I am now off Bexarotene and due to start Interferon Alpha next week by sub cutaneous injection.

    Another day.. another treatment..that’s life with CTCL


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    Thank you both for the information.Â