In 5 days I have MOHs surgery to remove BCC from crease of my nose, and 2 days later the first of two stage reconstruction surgery. The plastic surgeon said that the lesion was substantial and I would probably need a forehead flap, and he recommended it be done under general anaesthetic.
I didn’t expect this for what seemed to me like a small spot, and I was too shocked to ask questions of the consultant, who was very offhand and casual and just wanted me to leave his office quickly.
Can I make any useful preparations?
Can I go outside afterwards? I have a hat I wear in the sun, but it sits on my forehead. Should I buy some sort of face covering? Online I have seen caps with veils attached for fishing, is it worth getting one?
Can I wear my reading glasses?
What about my 6 month old puppy? We are so attached to each other, but she is very boisterous and I am scared that she will jump up at my face. Can I wear a face guard of some kind or do I just have to shut her out of my room?
I am lucky to be 68, married to a wonderful man, and not really bothered about my looks, but am I going to make people feel sick to look at me?
Am I making a big fuss about nothing?
8.45, I have seen the consultant and anaesthetist. A different nicer anaesthetist I am pleased to say. The surgeon was his usual offhand style but I am used to him so not upset. The flap is looking just as it should so I was right to push away the worry. So just for the benefit of any future patients to be reading this, over the last few days the flap oozed a lot more yellowy brown. But no smell or other signs of infection. The ear has also been sore but that is also apparently normal for it to hurt more than the ear. I just wish I had known all this!
Anyway I was organised enough to ask questions since the doctor doesn't volunteer anything. I will see nurses in a week for stitches out. Then no more visits, all being well, till I see him at 9 months. I can use bio oil to massage once the stitches are out - he said this more in a won't hurt to try manner than a strong endorsement. He said protect from sun, can use suncream right away except on the open donor site. I forget to ask about ointment. I may not see him after, he teaches in afternoon, so if no one tells me to use it I may use vaseline.
I asked about the fact that my nose is off centre, hopefully only because of the pedicle pulling. Oh is it, he said vaguely, oh yes it is a bit, that will probably improve,. I did say he is offhand. I asked about the blocked nostril, he said the thinning he will do on the outside may help, and it may improve over the year, or may always be that way. I will believe in improvement.
I am second on list so may go in by 9.30 or 10.
One nice thing,, I have the same lovely nurse as last time and she remembered me. And I have ordered the same lunch that I enjoyed last time. Looking forward to it!
Reading over, meant to say ear more painful than nose! I also queried if he had to stitch the sponge through the ear, instead of say glue, because it really has been sore from that rather than the donor site. He said yes, because it needs the firm pressure. I feel better for knowing it was indeed necessary. It was only a low grade pain, not serious, but annoying.
Hi lucky lass
Just a quick message to say hope your surgery went well
It did go well, eventually, thanks! The afternoon and evening after the separation were definitely in the euphoria zone.
But I need a little vent here first. I’ll start a new post once I get up to the recovery bit.
The private hospital managed one more glitch. At 10 am the young guy who had escorted me to the theatre last time appeared bright and breezy, along with a tense-faced senior nurse I hadn’t seen before, thumbing through a folder. “Where is the consent form?” she snapped to the youngster. They proceeded to talk across me. I intervened and said that the consultant had referred to his folder, said oh yes, I see here your previous form which was for both procedures, that’s fine. Nurse said crossly, no I need a form for today, all I have got is this blank. Waves sheet of paper. I said ok, give it here, I will sign it. No no no, it has to be properly completed and signed by the consultant. I suggested that she look for the completed form in the consultant’s folder. I pointed out that there was at least one other patient also having the separation operation, what did her paperwork look like? More stress on face of senior nurse. By this time the youngster had wisely scarpered, nurses were gathering in the corridor, and a tall miserable looking bloke I had never met was in the room trying to debate with senior nurse. Miseryguts then asked me all the questions the anaesthetist and everyone else had been through about dob and metalwork etc. I know it’s routine that has to be gone through, but, already angry about the last minute holdup, I took offence at his tone and expression, which came across as sneery and bored. I told him to introduce himself and take that look off his face. He said he didn’t have any look on his face and I told him there was a mirror in the ensuite and he should go and see for himself. This reminded me that I had been about to pop to the loo when the youngster had arrived, so I suggested I do that while they sorted the paperwork out. Retreated to loo and tried to recover the upbeat mood I had been clinging on to all morning.
Came out of loo, people still standing there shuffling papers, I asked how it was progressing. Nurse, loudly, as to naughty rather stupid child. “You can’t go to theatre without a consent form signed today and I don’t have one.” Me, louder, “I told you that I signed for both procedures before the first operation, do you think I would have let anyone cut my face open and sew this monstrosity on it for a month if I wasn’t going to go ahead with the separation operation?”. She, defensive, me into full meltdown mode. I said something like: I can’t believe this is happening again, I was promised last time that I would be early on the list because of my anxiety, but I had to wait for hours because you didn’t have the test results because you didn’t arrange the tests until I chased you, now this, do I have something in my file saying treat this woman like dirt? Fighting back tears. Senior nurse finally softened and moved into sympathy mode, meanwhile someone else rummaged through the folder again and cried in triumph, here it is! Senior nurse looks, says that’s no good, it’s dated 23 February, today is 23 March. Me, firmly, that. is. the. form. Read it. It was signed before the first op and covers today’s op as well. She reads. Oh ….. Back in defensive mode. The girls are meant to put it at the front of the folder. Finally we go off to theatre. Senior nurse unbends, apologises, accompanies us as far as the theatre.
Miseryguts, who it turns out is an assistant to the anaesthetist, comes along, bringing his sneery face with him. He remembers the bit in the training manual which says: make pleasant chit chat to keep the patient relaxed. So, he says with an obvious effort, what would you be doing today if you weren’t here? Me, curtly, well if I hadn’t had to have part of my nose cut off and this hideous thing made up out of bits of my forehead and ear sewn onto my face to deal with a little spot that the NHS told me could wait, and then come here today to get it cut off and have my face sewn up again, I would probably be out spending some of the £15000 I have paid to keep you lot in a job. End of small talk.
All is then brisk and business-like getting me arranged etc. The anaesthetist arrives, says to Miseryguts, oh dear, I feel the need to sneeze from hay fever, why does it always happen just after I get my gloves on. Me silently thinking dark thoughts about not wishing to hear this just before he tries to force a needle into my reluctant vein. At least he has taken on board my advice about not using my hands as a practice dart board and goes straight to the inside elbow vein. Silence while I hold very still and hope it is going in, and he isn’t going to sneeze. “Wow that’s huge! “ he exclaims. I try to make sense of this statement. Presumably he is not referring to the needle, which certainly feels huge to me but he must have seen before. Does he mean my vein is huge? Well, that’s better than if he had exclaimed about how tiny it was.
Anyway, the cannula is in, and anaesthetist turns to Miseryguts to show him a huge hole in the palm of his glove. Says “I could feel a hole there, I had no idea it was so big”. They seem to find it mildly entertaining. I lie there and think dark thoughts about infection control.
Soon the drugs are finally flowing and then someone is waking me up.
I feel a bit worse than I remember from last time, groggy, throat very sore and somehow I have gone quite deaf. It improves.
The consultant does come by, tells it went well. I ask about laser treatment of my hairy nose because others have mentioned it on here. He says, no because I am grey. Grr, I am not grey, I have the light reddish blonde hair I have always had and I tell him this. Whatever, he shrugs. The laser only works on black hair. I guess it works by heating up the dark hair and fair or white hair doesn’t absorb the light. He could have put it this way, if he wasn’t so rude.
I remember to ask about the antibiotic ointment, telling him that during the last month it has caused skin irritation. He looks astonished. I tell him that, after I got a rash, I referred to the list of side effects in the packet and it included irritation to the surrounding skin. He scoffs at this, intimating that the drug manufacturers always list all these things that never happen. It wasn’t in the rare list, it was listed as a common side effect I say. He shrugs and says if it bothers me, don’t use it. I ask if I should use Vaseline instead. He says no, the ointment is antibiotic, it’s quite different. Duh, I don’t say. I just thought it would be better than nothing as a barrier against dirt. I have been advised by dermatologists in the past to use it during the healing of various lumps and bumps I have had cut off in years gone by. Later I spoke with the pharmacist, who was a much better communicator, and I am to call her to discuss if having problems with the ointment.
So now I am up to the good bit, awake and getting my phone out to take a selfie and find out how I look. Oh, beautiful! It’s amazing how the removal of a burnt sausage effect can improve a face. I have some lovely chats with a selection of nurses and am safely home by about 4.30. I keep popping to the mirror to smile at myself. I have a line of stitches about an inch long on my forehead leading up from between my eyebrows, and a bluish circle of skin with stitches around it where my left nostril was, but basically my face looks like a face again. I am euphoric all evening. I wake in the night with a bit of a twinge in the nose, but it passes with paracetamol, and generally I feel a lot more comfortable. I still can’t get back to sleep, but lie there reasonably content in the very strange state of having nothing to worry about.
Day 1 of the final (I hope!) stage : My mood is still good but my appearance and level of discomfort have worsened a bit since yesterday. I have a ridge of raised angry looking skin along the left side of my nose, joining the forehead stitches to the nose stitches, where I guess the pedicle was irritating it. My cheeks are very red, probably a reaction by my sensitive skin to whatever chemical they swabbed my face with. The stitches are oozy and the surrounding area is swollen, red and crusted black. My left ear donor site, which was getting along to being healed, is sore and bleeding again - were they pulling me round by my ear!? The inner corner of my right eyebrow, where the skin was twisted to form the pedicle, looks like normal unblemished skin but now curves out over my eye. My right eye was already a bit smaller and lower than my left, so now my already asymmetrical face is even more lopsided. The right eyelid is hugely swollen, like that of a losing boxer, distorting my vision. The tight feeling is much improved from the pre-op level, and my grafted skin is now numb which I much prefer to the sensation being in my forehead. I think my upper lip is fully mobile again. If I move about too much, or talk or chew without thinking about being careful, I get sharp pangs in the area of the stitches and the donor sites, but as long as I sit quietly and take painkillers it is pretty good. So now it’s just a matter of being patient, and grateful. I think it is even possible that the left side of my nose may look better than the original when fully healed. Though it won’t match the right side, with its deep nasal cleft. I shall just have to make sure that the paparazzi get my good side.
To be honest I think considering you've had private treatment you've been treated appallingly. Worth complaining about.
I've worked in theatre with the NHS and it's shocking to see what you've had to deal with.
But glad it's all done and over for you apart from removal of stitches.
I have a very wonky nostril but my surgeon said in time it will settle so in time your face should also settle down. It will take time though.
Didn't your consultant explain 'll this to you?
My surgery was quite minor compared to what you've had done and the surgeon and then the aneasthetist explained absolutely everything to me and also what to expect in recovery and healing.
This is what they should do.
I really feel for you as it's traumatizing enough without issues from the team
Gosh what an ordeal and as Puckettyboo says I woud make a formal complaint. This is outrageous especially when you pay for a service. I can honestly say every member of staff I have met at the Nuffield have been so kind and understanding, as I told them of my anxiety. The Plastic Surgeo couldn't have been nicer and so reassuring. I see he has been awared a Certificate of Excellent Care by I Want Great Care which is something he asked if I would comment on, and the reviews he gets are all 5 star for every aspect. My procerure was nothing compared to yours, but you expect them to be civil to you if you are paying or not. Good Luck for your recovery xxx
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