New C.U.P ( complete urethral preservation ) procedure in prostatectomy to help post surgery incontinence? Any feedback, any one had this ?

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Hi I’ve been coming on to this online community since April 25 when my husband got diagnosed , we have gained  valuable information that has so helped us and that has stopped worries . He was Gleason 3+ 4 and advised that active surveillance was fine at this point , we both felt a little uneasy at the start of this bit as the year went on and my husbands PSA didn’t alter we felt more confident , until end March this year when the routine MRI showed areas of concern in areas already seen , so end of April a biopsy , end of May meeting with consultant to tell us prostate was now full of cancer and had grown faster than expected and it was now time for treatment , we had done our research and told consultant straight away surgery please . He said 8-10 weeks wait so imagine our suprise 2 days later a call to say he could have surgery in 4 weeks . Surgery happened in 2nd July , recovery had been lots better than expected , not overly in pain , just on paracetamol, bit of constipation but cured with liquid from chemist , catheter caused no problems, catheter removal no problem and no leakage on catheter removal which was one  of our big worries , no leakage next day or day after nothing at all . We couldn’t understand this at all , we put it down to surgeons expertise and husband doing his pelvic exercises religiously. Had phone call from surgeon this week saying husband lucky had operation when he did as prostate full of disease right up to margin ,Gleason now changed to 4+3 he’s not been able to do nerve sparing as he had to cut away a lot to make sure cancer all gone but he mentioned he had used a new procedure where the I’m going to call it bladder tube as I don’t know proper name ( maybe urethra) wasn’t cut as normally it is in two places then sewn back together it was dissected  instead then sewn so a piece wasn’t cut out which helps with incontinence I’d done lots of research and hadn’t come across this method . I’ve researched it now and it’s CUP Complete Urethral preservation . Does anyone know anything about this ? How long has this been around ? I was just wondering why it’s not  in any of the leaflets given at hospital . It’s sounds amazing . If it is something new I just wanted to mention it so other men could research it and ask about it . 

  • Hi  Thank you for sharing this information as it’s so important  for men and women to being informed of any new treatments available and I’m sure it will make a difference to a lot of men knowing there’s an option like this available. 
    I can’t help but be annoyed at the initial position you found yourself in with having active surveillance at a Gleason 7 and I think this is also a good piece of information to share as men need to be aware that there is a risk of escalation with a “4” and monitoring needs to be a strong part of AS at that level.

    Hopefully this will all be behind you now and you can move on.
    Best wishes for you both and your husband's recovery.

    LSlight smile

    1. Hi  I was just reading a medical paper on this procedure which is a fascinating read, unfortunately I can’t share it here. It seems that it makes a huge difference to keeping the urethra intact and also there is no loss of length as the section is retained, leading to a quick recovery . The question I would be asking your consultant is: “ As this is a relatively new procedure what monitoring will my husband be having from now on. What are your thoughts on the piece of urethra left intact and are there any concerns that there could be a possibility of the urethra having any residual micro cells left from the tumour,” Your consultant has previously said that the cancer was faster growing than expected and it had spread throughout the prostate so I think that’s a fair and valid question.  The paper I read was mainly concerned with incontinence and recovery, data on reoccurring was not mentioned. 
      I don’t want to be negative about this as it seems a very good procedure and it will make a lot if men’s lives better,  but I would personally like to know after care and what monitoring would be offered as well as its new. 

      LSlight smile 
  • Absolutely fascinating and amazing isn’t it , I even found pictures of them  doing  it online . I have all those doubts  about it that you mentioned . I’m going to make a list of questions to ask on our next visit to hospital in October. I’m concerned about the urethra that wasn’t cut out as it was sitting in a prostate full of cancer for I don’t know how long . How did they get that bit out without pulling any cancer out . I’m sure it’s all ok but we weren’t even aware of this til a couple of days ago . And yes disgusted we were put on active surveillance now we understand more . I wouldn’t advise surveillance to anyone now . We feel lucky . The consultant changed from out 1st visit initially to 2nd visit which I think was for the better he was more pro active .